Anne Rice Breaks Up With Christianity via Facebook

[Publisher]

There are actually seven different sexual orientations:

1. Heterosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the opposite sex of the appropriate age.
2. Regressed Heterosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the opposite sex with no regard to age (including children).
3. Bisexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions for both opposite same sex of the appropriate age.
4. Regressed Bisexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions for both opposite same sex with no regard to age (including children).
5. Homosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the same sex of the appropriate age.
6. Regressed Homosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the same sex with no regard to age (including children)
7. Fixated - Sexual feelings desires and emotions exclusively for children with no regard to gender.

Changing sexual behavior doesn’t mean the sexual orientation has changed. There are a handful of studies which managed to dig up some anecdotal evidence that a microscopic fraction of self-proclaimed “ex-gays” managed to change their sexual orientation and not just their behavior but the ability to change sexual orientation has not been scientifically proven (which would actually be very easy to determine either way if the “ex-gays” were willing to participate in such a study).

A great book concerning the “ex-gay movement” is “Anything But Straight”…the “ex-gay” poster boy and the founders of Exodus Int’l…“reverted”…the book is an expose on the movement.

With sufficient motivation a person with “bi-sexual” orientation CAN live a reasonably happy life with an opposite sex partner…but sexual orientation IS fixed and cannot be changed…whether through prayer…“miracles”…chanting…or “therapy”…it is set in stone.

 

[cheese_sdc]

Anne Rice’s announcements via Facebook.
“As I said below, I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.”

“For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being “Christian” or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to “belong” to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”

I understand completely. Christianity has devolved into three things: “Go To Church, Don’t Have Sex, and Vote Republican”.

 

[vsedriver]

The Church is the Body of Christ. If you reject the Church you automatically reject Christ.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Anne Rice’s announcements via Facebook.

“As I said below, I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.”

“For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being “Christian” or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to “belong” to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”

Notice that she hasn’t give up on Christ, just “Christianity”.

Wow, so let me see, how exacty is this gonna work? Just gonna pick and choose and interpret the Bible and Jesus as you choose?

I’m “not” the judge of Anne Rice. Though I will Pray for her.

And this is “NOT” a new concept. Its one of selfishness, pride, and stubbornness, and of little concern for the world and other Souls. Its of one that choose’s to water down the religion till it fits there own lifestyle. How is there FAITH in your OWN FAITH?

 

[Publisher]

*“I love you Jesus but I don’t believe that I should follow your teachings.”

Oh man!

How can you talk like that Publisher! Ghandi? But was Ghandi a perfect human being? He had a good cause but was he perfect? I prefer to follow Jesus - HE IS PERFECT! HE IS GOD!

*

No friend…that is a mischaracterization of what I would say…“I love you Jesus, bit I don’t believe in all of Cinettes religious beliefs.”

There is a huge difference between what I WOULD SAY and what you proclaim I would say.

I have not resorted to insults in speaking with you…why do you do so with me? IWhy do you resort to very personally directed insults? In one of your previous posts you state…“Mind, what mind?” when I agree with Anne on this subject…now you misrepresent WHAT I woud say…what is it that you believe that allows you to insult where no provocation was given…at least not intentionally…please explain the two comments.

Your “attacks” concerning the state of my mental well being and putting words into my mouth that are foreign to me has me puzzled…please elaborate on such statements…does your faith teach you it is correct and right to say such things?

 

[Tiffany_M_S]

*I have been thinking about this Anne Rice.

You know, sometimes people who try to commit suicide do so for attention. They warn someone who comes to save them.

Anne Rice’s posting her intentions on Facebook - could this not be attention seeking?*

You see, this is exactly what I’m talking about. You probably don’t mean to be critical, but you are. I understand your fervor, but you need to stop, slow down, and think about what you’re saying. You could really hurt someone if you don’t.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

A great book concerning the “ex-gay movement” is “Anything But Straight”…the “ex-gay” poster boy and the founders of Exodus Int’l…“reverted”…the book is an expose on the movement…

Oh I know plenty about Exodus International including the fact that their results have never been duplicated by any other group using the same program they claim is successful. Anyone with a scientific background knows what that means.

With sufficient motivation a person with “bi-sexual” orientation CAN live a reasonably happy life with an opposite sex partner…but sexual orientation IS fixed and cannot be changed…whether through prayer…“miracles”…chanting…or “therapy”…it is set in stone.

From a scientific perspective, the anecdotal evidence warrants further investigation. I strongly suspect that these “ex-gays” aren’t really “ex-gays” at all but homosexual men and women who simply changed their behavior. Studies have shown that sexual stimuli result in activity in the left angular gyrus, left caudate nucleus, and right pallidum of homosexual subjects while these parts of the brain are not activated in heterosexuals. Functional magnetic resonance imaging testing of the “ex-gays” would tell the tale.

 

[Publisher]

Oh I know plenty about Exodus International including the fact that their results have never been duplicated by any other group using the same program they claim is successful. Anyone with a scientific background knows what that means.

From a scientific perspective, the anecdotal evidence warrants further investigation. I strongly suspect that these “ex-gays” aren’t really “ex-gays” at all but homosexual men and women who simply changed their behavior. Studies have shown that sexual stimuli result in activity in the left angular gyrus, left caudate nucleus, and right pallidum of homosexual subjects while these parts of the brain are not activated in heterosexuals. Functional magnetic resonance imaging testing of the “ex-gays” would tell the tale.

I have a good friend who is a prison counselor…he runs across quite a few men who while in prison have homosexual love affairs…some have lasted for years in the prison system…on couple has been together almost a decade…their release date is set for next year…one of the men has relayed to him that he and his partner are going to 'get married" when they get out and build a life together…the other partner has related to my friend in his counseling sessions…he’s going to get married…but to his girlfriend that he has kept contact with this past decade.

Prison is sufficient motivation to change behavior it seems…freedom means he returns to a straight life…as do most of the men released from prison who carried on homsexual relationships or activity while in prison.

 

[Cinette]

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I understand completely. Christianity has devolved into three things: “Go To Church, Don’t Have Sex, and Vote Republican”.

*“Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!”

*

 

[Cinette]

No friend…that is a mischaracterization of what I would say…“I love you Jesus, bit I don’t believe in all of Cinettes religious beliefs.”
*I was referring to Anne who said that she quit being a Christian but that she remained committed to “Christ”. This was not directed at you. *
There is a huge difference between what I WOULD SAY and what you proclaim I would say.

I have not resorted to insults in speaking with you…why do you do so with me? IWhy do you resort to very personally directed insults? In one of your previous posts you state…“Mind, what mind?” *When you condoned what was being said by saying that it was exactly what you had in mind or words to that effect I reacted. For that I feel I owe you an apology because these were not kind words - they were a reaction and I should have stopped myself. I am sorry about that. * when I agree with Anne on this subject…now you misrepresent WHAT I woud say…what is it that you believe that allows you to insult where no provocation was given…at least not intentionally…please explain the two comments.

Your “attacks” concerning the state of my mental well being and putting words into my mouth that are foreign to me has me puzzled I have already explained that it was a knee jerk reaction and apologised. You are now elaborating ……please elaborate on such statements…does your faith teach you it is correct and right to say such things?

 

[Holly3278]

We should all pray for her conversion back to Christianity.

 

[Publisher]

Cinette:
Friend, I could not “elaborate” upon your apology in my original post. I appreciate your apology…and as far as I’m concerned the matter is over…you apologized…I accept.

Peace to you.

 

[Cinette]

You see, this is exactly what I’m talking about. You probably don’t mean to be critical, but you are. I understand your fervor, but you need to stop, slow down, and think about what you’re saying. You could really hurt someone if you don’t.

*Tiffany, I think you are being a bit judgmental - think about it. The observation I have made about Anne Rice’s declaration on Facebook cannot be interpreted as critical. No it is a valid observation - it is an analysis. Why declare it on Facebook? Why? And why should my observation be construed as critical?

I do not agree with you here at all!

Perhaps you owe me an apology for being judgmental.

Cinette*

 

[Publisher]

Cinette:
Your “attacks” concerning the state of my mental well being and putting words into my mouth that are foreign to me has me puzzled I have already explained that it was a knee jerk reaction and apologised. You are now elaborating .…please elaborate on such statements…does your faith teach you it is correct and right to say such things?

Friend…I accept you apology…but how is it that I was “elaborating” after your apology…prior to you offering the apology?

As far as I am concerned, your apology settles the matter…it is accepted.

Peace to you.

 

[Cinette]

I have a good friend who is a prison counselor…he runs across quite a few men who while in prison have homosexual love affairs…some have lasted for years in the prison system…on couple has been together almost a decade…their release date is set for next year…one of the men has relayed to him that he and his partner are going to 'get married" when they get out and build a life together…the other partner has related to my friend in his counseling sessions…he’s going to get married…but to his girlfriend that he has kept contact with this past decade.

Prison is sufficient motivation to change behavior it seems…freedom means he returns to a straight life…as do most of the men released from prison who carried on homsexual relationships or activity while in prison.

*While I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle I find this story very tragic. There are emotions involved and the outcome is hurtful and sad. Anyone would feel for this person.

:sad_bye:*

 

[scipio337]

This just in: Christianity is already dating somebody else, and seems to be taking the breakup in stride!

 

[Cinette]

Your “attacks” concerning the state of my mental well being and putting words into my mouth that are foreign to me has me puzzled I have already explained that it was a knee jerk reaction and apologised. You are now elaborating .…please elaborate on such statements…does your faith teach you it is correct and right to say such things?

Friend…I accept you apology…but how is it that I was “elaborating” after your apology…prior to you offering the apology?

As far as I am concerned, your apology settles the matter…it is accepted.

Peace to you.

:console::flowers:

 

[Monica4316]

Anne Rice’s announcements via Facebook.

“As I said below, I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.”

“For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being “Christian” or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to “belong” to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”

Notice that she hasn’t give up on Christ, just “Christianity”.

That is so sad

I saw one of her later posts on her website…

“My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn’t understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me. But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been, or might become.”

I’m glad that she isn’t renouncing Christ, but I don’t really understand this position because the teachings of Christianity are based on His teachings…

prayers for Anne Rice

 

[AmateurPianist]

There are actually seven different sexual orientations:

1. Heterosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the opposite sex of the appropriate age.
2. Regressed Heterosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the opposite sex with no regard to age (including children).
3. Bisexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions for both opposite same sex of the appropriate age.
4. Regressed Bisexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions for both opposite same sex with no regard to age (including children).
5. Homosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the same sex of the appropriate age.
6. Regressed Homosexuality - Sexual feelings, desires, and emotions exclusively for the same sex with no regard to age (including children)
7. Fixated - Sexual feelings desires and emotions exclusively for children with no regard to gender.

What about sexual orientation to pornography or a sexual orientation to animals?

But anyway…I do observe that there are sexual orientations toward children. That is enough.

This is exactly why I reject the reasoning that (1) because same-sex sexual orientation is fixed and cannot be changed then (2) same sex sexual relationships must be ok with God.

Nobody applies this reasoning with sexual orientations involving children.

Changing sexual behavior doesn’t mean the sexual orientation has changed. There are a handful of studies which managed to dig up some anecdotal evidence that a microscopic fraction of self-proclaimed “ex-gays” managed to change their sexual orientation and not just their behavior but the ability to change sexual orientation has not been scientifically proven (which would actually be very easy to determine either way if the “ex-gays” were willing to participate in such a study).

Then these positions are logically possible
(1) Same-sex sexual orientations and same-sex sexual behaviour are both outside of God’s design. Same-sex sexual behaviour should not be practiced. Same-sex orientation can be changed (presumably by prayer, changes in behaviour, and time)
(2) Same-sex sexual behaviour is outside of God’s design but a same-sex sexual orientation may not be. Same-sex sexual behaviour should not be practiced. Same-sex sexual orientation may not be able to be changed.
(3) Same-sex sexual behaviour is not outside of God’s design, presumably because why would God give somebody a same-sex sexual orientation and then prohibit them from acting out on them.

My position and what I understand the position of the Catholic church is (2).

The same positions are logically possible with sexual relationships with children except that nobody believes (3). This is why I have absolutely no reason to apply this to same-sex sexual relationships.

 

[AmateurPianist]

As a Friend, I do not confine the revelation of God to scripture alone…it is now showing us the worth and humanity of gay people as they are understood NOW as one more variation of how two people of the same sex CAN embody the astounding diversity of God’s creation

How do you know this is God as opposed to somebody’s nice idea?