Annoying pro-abortion bumper sticker

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stbruno:
My bumper sticker shows an ultrasound picture and the caption is “Woman, behold your Son!”
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I love it! Is it available nationally?
 
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Didi:
Say a prayer for whoever was driving the car and/or put the bumper sticker on it!

I used to get very angry when I saw the “Darwin” symbol on cars – you know, like the Christian fish symbol with feet. Then I realized how misled these people are and started to turn my anger into sadness and compassion and pray for them.
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There’s a great symbol of a fish eating one of those evolving Darwin fish. It’s great two-fold because not only does it show the superiourity of Christianity, but, it also uses the theory of Survival of the Fittest. 😃
 
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Jay74:
I was just behind a woman on the high way with a bumper sticker that read “If you don’t trust me with a choice, why would you trust me with a child?”
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That’s an old one. Fact is, we don’t trust her with a child. If we did there would be no laws on the books regarding parental abuse or negligence of children. In fact, all law is law against choices.

Now, my answer may not be strictly logical, but it’s more logical than the bumper sticker.
 
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VociMike:
That’s an old one. Fact is, we don’t trust her with a child. If we did there would be no laws on the books regarding parental abuse or negligence of children. In fact, all law is law against choices.

Now, my answer may not be strictly logical, but it’s more logical than the bumper sticker.
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It may be an old quote, but I sure haven’t seen that bumper sticker before.

You’re answer is logical, no question. If the only question was “choice”, laws would be unnecessary–fact is, we can’t trust people with choices like murder, theft, etc. Like murder, abortion may be a choice, but it is the wrong one.
 
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Jay74:
Very true. One of the most brilliant things about the pro-death crowd was turning this moral issue into one about choice, women’s rights, or medical privacy. It’s an ace up the sleeve of people who are morally and intellectually shallow.
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But don’t you think it was easy because people are not as well educated as they used to be? When my mom was in school she had to take logic, apologetics and such. If students aren’t being taught to think, they’ll believe anything that sounds good to them. —KCT
 
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KCT:
But don’t you think it was easy because people are not as well educated as they used to be? When my mom was in school she had to take logic, apologetics and such. If students aren’t being taught to think, they’ll believe anything that sounds good to them. —KCT
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I think you’re right. People are being taught to look to their feelings instead of higher values. Not much of an antidote to this–just listening to feelings is more comfortable than submitting to higher values (i.e. God’s law overrides my whims), growing up, and doing what is right even if they dont’ feel like it.
 
I once got into a rather heated argument with a relative over abortion and choice. She told me to justify that a fetus was a life. I did my best, but I’m no apologist, at least, not a very good one.

I said, “Do you think reproduction is necessary to maintain humanity on earth?”

“Of course,” she said. “Except for cloning. That’ll take a while.”

“You’re a Darwinist, aren’t you? Survival of the species is the primary goal?”

“Yes. WHat does that have to do with it?”

“How does the species survive without children?”

“Hey, I’m not saying that we don’t need some children. We don’t need overpopulation, either.”

“Overpopulation is a problem that takes care of itself, if it exists. Don’t let’s get sidetracked. What you’re saying is that too many children is a bad thing, but some children is a good thing?”

“All things in moderation, y’know.”

“So where exactly do you draw the line between “good thing” and “bad thing?””

“This isn’t answering my argument. Prove to me that a fetus is a life.”

“Okay, okay. I’m getting there. A fetus, let’s call it that for now, is the future of a life. It is part of the next generation that ensures survival of the species. It’s a good thing, right?”

“There are plenty of fetuses–”

“But since overpopulated planets cannot produce enough food for the population, the population diminishes through starvation. It’s a natural pruning process, according to Darwin. If there isn’t enough to support a fetus, the fetus will die, miscarry or whatever. There’s no need for a woman to decide there’s not enough food to go around and kill her fetus to help out, right? It’s a problem that takes care of itself.”

“But what if the woman just doesn’t want a kid? Say she got raped.”

“You could say the child is a constant reminder of the attack, but i don’t think so. I think the child is a saving grace granted to the mother. She has someone to love, someone to be loved by, someone who trusts her implicitly and entirely.”

“I had a friend whose career got torpedoed like that.”

“What’s a career next to survival of the species? THat’s the most important thing, right?”

“#&^@#$)(#@%(#^$)(#@%*@#($^#$5!@%!@!!!”

That was where the discussion ended. Maybe I didn’t answer the question. Is there any way I could have, without using Darwin? I know this is sort of off topic, but the whole thing started when this relative saw my CHevy with the pro-life bumper sticker and called me on it.
 
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The_Angelus:
I once got into a rather heated argument with a relative over abortion and choice. She told me to justify that a fetus was a life. I did my best, but I’m no apologist, at least, not a very good one.

I said, “Do you think reproduction is necessary to maintain humanity on earth?”

“Of course,” she said. “Except for cloning. That’ll take a while.”

“You’re a Darwinist, aren’t you? Survival of the species is the primary goal?”

“Yes. WHat does that have to do with it?”

“How does the species survive without children?”

“Hey, I’m not saying that we don’t need some children. We don’t need overpopulation, either.”

“Overpopulation is a problem that takes care of itself, if it exists. Don’t let’s get sidetracked. What you’re saying is that too many children is a bad thing, but some children is a good thing?”

“All things in moderation, y’know.”

“So where exactly do you draw the line between “good thing” and “bad thing?””

“This isn’t answering my argument. Prove to me that a fetus is a life.”

“Okay, okay. I’m getting there. A fetus, let’s call it that for now, is the future of a life. It is part of the next generation that ensures survival of the species. It’s a good thing, right?”

“There are plenty of fetuses–”

“But since overpopulated planets cannot produce enough food for the population, the population diminishes through starvation. It’s a natural pruning process, according to Darwin. If there isn’t enough to support a fetus, the fetus will die, miscarry or whatever. There’s no need for a woman to decide there’s not enough food to go around and kill her fetus to help out, right? It’s a problem that takes care of itself.”

“But what if the woman just doesn’t want a kid? Say she got raped.”

“You could say the child is a constant reminder of the attack, but i don’t think so. I think the child is a saving grace granted to the mother. She has someone to love, someone to be loved by, someone who trusts her implicitly and entirely.”

“I had a friend whose career got torpedoed like that.”

“What’s a career next to survival of the species? THat’s the most important thing, right?”

“#&^@#$)(#@%(#^$)(#@%*@#($^#$5!@%!@!!!”

That was where the discussion ended. Maybe I didn’t answer the question. Is there any way I could have, without using Darwin? I know this is sort of off topic, but the whole thing started when this relative saw my CHevy with the pro-life bumper sticker and called me on it.
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The problem with logic and reason is the can easily argue for both right or wrong, good or bad, one choice or another, even for evils. Our society is losing its ability to make moral decisions, in large part because feelings have overtaken values (or, feelings have become our values).
 
“But what if the woman just doesn’t want a kid? Say she got raped.”
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They always pull that rape arguement out like a rabbit from a hat. I’ve read that less than 1/10 of 1% of rapes result in a pregnancy. So it’s an extremely weak arguement, at best.
Sounds like a familar conversation. Where you talking to one of my sisters’ in law?
 
I don’t think so. It was a second or third cousin by marriage, I believe. I’m an ice-cold conservative, while she’s a red-flaming liberal, so we don’t exactly talk much. We got stuck at the same table at a family reunion and that’s where the discussion started.
 
I have a plan ol’ Catholic Radio sticker on my car. But my favorite comes from a shirt that I saw:

Stop complaining: my 8 children will be paying for your Social Security.

In Christ,
DJ
 
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DJMarshall85:
I have a plan ol’ Catholic Radio sticker on my car. But my favorite comes from a shirt that I saw:

Stop complaining: my 8 children will be paying for your Social Security.

In Christ,
DJ
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hahaha! That’s great!
 
Rand Al'Thor:
That’s great!
We used to have one that said “Abortion: the most unjust execution - Pope John Paul II” but it got torn off. Now we have one that says “It is a poverty that a child should die so you may live as you choose - Mother Theresa”.
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We also have the Pope John Paul II sticker, though it hasn’t been torn off. So was it torn off by an angry pro-abortionist? It just goes to show you what types of people they are!
 
i dont really see killing a fetus as comitting murder-i mean the fetus has the potential to be life-same as a skin cell could theoretically create a new human from its dna. There are thousands of eggs and sperm destroyed all the time-whats the differance with a fetus, all it is, is a little older. I believe woman should have the choice to abort or not.
I was thinking a question, if you knew a fetus was going to be born and then die soon after would u be more leniant on aborting it or not?
 
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minutiae:
i dont really see killing a fetus as comitting murder-i mean the fetus has the potential to be life-same as a skin cell could theoretically create a new human from its dna. There are thousands of eggs and sperm destroyed all the time-whats the differance with a fetus, all it is, is a little older. I believe woman should have the choice to abort or not.
I was thinking a question, if you knew a fetus was going to be born and then die soon after would u be more leniant on aborting it or not?
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This really needs to go to a thread all of its own.

The first point to recognize here is that the conceptus is “human life” by all the definitions of both science and philosophy. Although no skin cell would produce a human being without massive technological manipulation, unmolested, the human conceptus in its mother’s womb will produce nothing other than a human being. An act of violence is required to stop the process (unless it naturally aborts, of course).

If you run your argument backwards from birth, you will soon recognize that there is no “point-at-which” the pre-born person is somehow not a person. The conceptus at its inception contains all of the genetic material – unique to itself – that makes it “John Doe” and not somebody else, and certainly not a fish, not a frog, not a cat, not a dog.
 
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FiremanFrank:
, I love the series that I had taken on Catholic Moral Theology, because it has allowed me to see through all the confusing “muck” out there that is trying to convince us that good is evil, and evil is good.
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That’s nice, but it doesn’t make much headway with the pro-aborts, because they don’t buy into your premise that it’s murder to begin with. You must first convince them of the humanity of the “fetus.”

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Well, now that I’ve read the entire thread, I can see that someone has already weighed in with this very counter-argument. This is the most common IMO, the belief that’s it’s not human and so not murder to begin with.

I don’t have the answer but the key to this crusade is convincing people of the humanity of the “fetus,” and making them realize that an abortion pulls and tears a little tiny living baby apart. How could anybody be in favor of that…but they won’t look at it square on, they turn away and use all these diversions. And distract and numb with booze, drugs and materialistic rewards. Sick world ain’t it.
 
How about a bumper sticker that says:

If you wanted the choice, and not the child, than you should have CHOSE NOT TO HAVE SEX!..

Of course the liberal hippies would still say “well, what about rape”…that is a lame argument too, that is like saying that someone has a “choice” to get cancer.

Freedom of choice is something you do at the supermarket, or when you pick out what you will wear in the morning…not murder.
 
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axolotl:
And that “War on Choice!” on Gilmore Girls. Irritates me to no end. Actually keeps me from watching the show. Propaganda everywhere.
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**You noticed that too??? I thought I was the only one! That kind of nonsense should be illegal, it’s the equivolant to brainwashing - subliminal messages. **

**At first, I had thought that show was funny. Course I stopped watching it once that little teenaged hussy started sleeping with a married man!:eek: **
The actress who plays her is a big abortion advocate. Obviously these people have NO morals, and kids spend more time watching this kind of trash than listening to thier teachers at school. And that’s really sad.
 
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