Annulment Possible and Being Able to Receive Communion After Divorce?

[jmjZelie]

Went to confession this morning and talked with the priest regarding the issues that I mentioned here. I have bee given forgiveness, given penance and am able to return to taking communion.

The only thing he warned me against was that if I decide in the future to get involved with another woman to be sure that I have already done the lack of form. Otherwise, I will no longer be able to take communion until I do the lack of form.

That is wonderful news! May God bless you as you return to the sacraments!

 

[styrgwillidar]

Went to confession this morning and talked with the priest regarding the issues that I mentioned here. I have bee given forgiveness, given penance and am able to return to taking communion.

The only thing he warned me against was that if I decide in the future to get involved with another woman to be sure that I have already done the lack of form. Otherwise, I will no longer be able to take communion until I do the lack of form.

Welcome back! May you find the comfort, guidance and healing that you need via your communion with Him and His Church.

 

[kdbueno]

Canon law, in its legal sense, does not constrict you of these matters. Rather, the interests of the church is their top priority.

 

[naomanos6]

Canon law, in its legal sense, does not constrict you of these matters. Rather, the interests of the church is their top priority.

Can you expand on this?

 

[kdbueno]

Jurisdiction is not primordial, nor in a sense constricting diocesan control. Rather jurisdiction, is a proof that God’s love do exist. Do trust your Canon lawyer, he can help you understanding real sacraments, virginity in an utmost holy sense in relation to Catholicism, and the fallibility of the proof of your marriage.

 

[Peebo]

So if two Catholics leave the church…get married…divorce…and possibly remarry they can easily rejoin the Catholic church and receive communion because their marriage is considered invalid…but two Catholic who marry in the church,divorce and remarry need an annulment or they can never receive communion…or two Protestants marry in a Protestant church…divorce and remarry but cannot become Catholic until they get an annulment…or even if they marry in a civil ceremony…divorce and remarry in another civil ceremony…and then want to become Catholic they still need an annulment because it’s still considered a valid marriage…but the original Catholic couple who marry outside the church get a fast track back to communion because their marriage was invalid…

 

[Horton]

So if two Catholics leave the church…get married…divorce…and possibly remarry they can easily rejoin the Catholic church and receive communion because their marriage is considered invalid…but two Catholic who marry in the church,divorce and remarry need an annulment or they can never receive communion…or two Protestants marry in a Protestant church…divorce and remarry but cannot become Catholic until they get an annulment…or even if they marry in a civil ceremony…divorce and remarry in another civil ceremony…and then want to become Catholic they still need an annulment because it’s still considered a valid marriage…but the original Catholic couple who marry outside the church get a fast track back to communion because their marriage was invalid…

Put this way it seems very confusing. Let’s put it this way: The Church presumes all marriages are valid except the ones she knows are not. The marriages the Church knows are invalid are those with at least one spouse who is Catholic and the marriage did not take place in the Church or have a dispensation to do so.

All the rest need some type of investigation from the simple gathering of documents to a full formal case.

 

[Peebo]

You have seven kids…I would hope that as a Catholic now in full communion with the church you are supporting your children…I know it’s none of my business but with the emphasis that Christ and his church put on the role of the father I hope this would be the case…or at least you would be considering that fact…I’m surprised no one else here seems to be giving any credence in that.

 

[naomanos6]

You have seven kids…I would hope that as a Catholic now in full communion with the church you are supporting your children…I know it’s none of my business but with the emphasis that Christ and his church put on the role of the father I hope this would be the case…or at least you would be considering that fact…I’m surprised no one else here seems to be giving any credence in that.

Yes, I am supporting them.

 

[1ke]

So if two Catholics leave the church…get married…divorce…and possibly remarry they can easily rejoin the Catholic church and receive communion because their marriage is considered invalid…

Not “considered invalid” but “is invalid”. A Catholic who attempts marriage outside the Church without dispensation doesn’t marry validly.

but two Catholic who marry in the church,divorce and remarry need an annulment or they can never receive communion.

Two Catholics who marry in the Church marry validly. Nothing but death can dissolve their marriage. If they divorce civilly and attempt to marry another person, they commit adultery.

They may have evidence that what appeared to be a valid marriage was not. If they do, they can submit that to the Church to investigate. If it turns out that what appeared to be a valid marriage was not, they are free to marry.

or two Protestants marry in a Protestant church…divorce and remarry but cannot become Catholic until they get an annulment…or even if they marry in a civil ceremony…divorce and remarry in another civil ceremony…and then want to become Catholic they still need an annulment because it’s still considered a valid marriage…

Non-Catholics who marry do so validly unless there is an impediment. Marriages that are between two baptized non-Catholics are also indissoluble until death. Therefore, unless they can prove an impediment or defect existed, they are not free to marry another. If they do so anyway, they too commit adultery.

If we are talking about one or both unbaptized individuals, then it is possible that they have a valid marriage but it is also possible that it can be dissolved via the Petrine or Pauline principle.

but the original Catholic couple who marry outside the church get a fast track back to communion because their marriage was invalid…

They can receive communion because they are not committing adultery. Divorce is not an impediment to communion for any Catholic. Remarriage is.

If they are married-divorced-remarried all outside the Church, they do have an impediment to communion jut as the others do. They would need to convalidate their current civil marriage first. Which would require establishing freedom to marry and then exchanging consent in Catholic form. If their first marriage was outside the Church, establishing freedom to marry is less complicated than someone whose first marriage has a presumption of validity.

 

[Rau]

It is curious that 2 Catholics who follow the wrong ritual (wrong form) do not marry validly, and thus form no indissoluble bond, yet two persons, perhaps unbaptised, who marry civilly, form an indissoluble (from the Catholic perspective) bond.

 

[Phemie]

It is curious that 2 Catholics who follow the wrong ritual (wrong form) do not marry validly, and thus form no indissoluble bond, yet two persons, perhaps unbaptised, who marry civilly, form an indissoluble (from the Catholic perspective) bond.

The Church sets the rule for her own members. For the last several hundred years the rule has been that the marriage must be celebrated in the Church, in front of two witnesses and the the exchange of consent received by a priest, deacon or, in rare cases, a lay person appointed by the Bishop. Because the exchange of consent may be witnessed by someone other than a priest, it is possible to obtain a dispensation to marry outside the Church.

On the other hand, the Eastern Catholic & Orthodox Churches, whose theology of marriage differs, require that the exchange of consent be witnessed by a priest.

The non-baptized do not form an indissoluble bond. Their marriage can be dissolved by either the Pauline or Petrine privilege.

 

[porthos11]

It is curious that 2 Catholics who follow the wrong ritual (wrong form) do not marry validly, and thus form no indissoluble bond, yet two persons, perhaps unbaptised, who marry civilly, form an indissoluble (from the Catholic perspective) bond.

Eh. no.

Two unbaptized persons form a natural marriage, that CAN be dissolved.

I would probably have less moral qualms attending the second marriage of two unbaptized divorced folks.