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Pattylt said:
From my experience at CARM, when you start asking questions that they really can’t answer…the end may be near! As long as they think they are getting the reactions they want to get, they’ll let you continue posting.

Your mileage may vary…
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It seems as if many of them don’t belong to any church but are simply Christian, interpreting the Bible themselves.
 
This also may sound uncharitable but I don’t mean it to be.

If one knows the Eucharist is real and leaves the Church which houses and feeds the faithful the Eucharist, that individual is in danger of losing eternal life. It’s is considered blasphemy against the Spirit of God. It would be better to be a Protestant and to stay Protestant while being unconvinced that the RC is the true church than to be a Catholic leaving the True Church.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
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MiserereMei25 said:
This also may sound uncharitable but I don’t mean it to be.

If one knows the Eucharist is real and leaves the Church which houses and feeds the faithful the Eucharist, that individual is in danger of losing eternal life. It’s is considered blasphemy against the Spirit of God. It would be better to be a Protestant to stay Protestant being unconvinced that the RC is the true church than to be a Catholic leaving the True Church.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
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I’ve read something like that before and gives me something to think about. Problem is, almost every Christian
believes their faith is the correct one.
 
I don’t believe you are wrong on this. As a convert from a mainline Protestant church I can’t see how anyone can walk away from the Eucharist. I can’t understand how anyone can choose to practice anything other than the truth found in the Catholic Church. That may be different for the average cradle Catholic who doesn’t know a whole lot about what other denominations and non Christian churches teach. They may have a curiosity to check it out. It certainty is easier to be Protestant, no obligations, no confession, no strict standards for marriage, baptize your kids or not, go to church or not. Head into any old church and take communion if they’re offering it that Sunday, no big deal, it’s only a symbol anyway. I know I’m being facetious and I’m not trying to offend anyone. I was part of that culture for far to many years of my life.

I have no desire to go to CARM and participate in a forum of ignorant people. IMO - A place like that is a bad place to get fair & balanced information, a bit like CNN.
 
Horton said:
I have no desire to go to CARM and participate in a forum of ignorant people.
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They really are. And they don’t discuss things,they just argue to argue. It’s like a game to them, just desperately trying to win to the point where they make things up and put words in the mouths of anyone with a Catholic background.
 
Horton said:
Confused by what? What specifically is causing you confusion?
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On whether the CC is really the one true, first Church started by the Apostles, if belief in the Eucharist was taught by the Apostles from the beginning and if Catholics really put the Bible together.
 
1ke said:
Hope, please talk to your priest. I know you struggle with some difficulties but leaving the Church isn’t the answer.
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The priest I’m most comfortable talking with is formerly from my Church but we keep in touch. He’s in the Holy Land at the moment. I think he’ll be back this weekend.
 
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Yes. You are right.

Remember though. Our customs and core values and beliefs come from the earliest of Christians.

I encourage you to order “The Fathers Know Best” by Jimmy Akin. It’s qoutations and writings from Christians in the earliest centuries of the Church.

Remember also, the Church used to be called the Holy Catholic Church until the Orthdox Church split from the fold.
 
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Horton:
Confused by what? What specifically is causing you confusion?
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On whether the CC is really the one true, first Church started by the Apostles, if belief in the Eucharist was taught by the Apostles from the beginning and if Catholics really put the Bible together.
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Do you really think you should be relying on your own intellect to make this decision?

Peace!!!
 
Jer 17:9 Who can understand the human heart?
There is nothing else so deceitful;
it is too sick to be healed.
 
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Hope1960 said:
On whether the CC is really the one true, first Church started by the Apostles, if belief in the Eucharist was taught by the Apostles from the beginning and if Catholics really put the Bible together.
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Your answers are here, in a very easy to read format:

Hope1960 said:
. I’ve been posting over on the CARM site, to see if I could learn more about nonCatholic beliefs since I’m still thinking about converting to that ND church I’ve been visiting.
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The only thing you will learn about non-denominational beliefs is:
  1. Jesus is Lord
  2. Believe in Him, and you are saved.
  3. That’s all there is! Their theology is as deep and wide as a thimble. You don’t need classes for that.
 
BoomerangToo said:
  • Jesus is Lord
  • Believe in Him, and you are saved.
  • That’s all there is! Their theology is as deep and wide as a thimble. You don’t need classes for that.
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Yeah, the Student Pastor I talked with a few times asked me if I believe Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I got the feeling, like you said, that that’s all there was to it.

The weekend before last, they ordained someone and I thought that there really wasn’t much to it. I don’t know what happens in a priests ordination, but I’m sure it more than 4 men in jeans saying a few words about the one being ordained, then putting a hand on his shoulder and saying a fairly short prayer.

The class I’m taking is just for an hour and 35 minutes, a one time deal. I’ll let everybody know what happens there.
 
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The JWs use a extremely biased translation of the bible and the mormons have a entire new testament
 
Hope,

There are all kinds of different traditions (small t) in evangelical churches so you will find a great variety of practices among American Evangelical churches.

If you are really interested in the differences between Catholics and Evangelicals then I would read a book instead of looking at message boards. On message boards people are anonymous and can say “We believe…(whatever)” when they are the only person in the world who believes that way.

A book I would recommend if you want a good comparison between Evangelical and Catholic approaches to Scripture, Authority, and Doctrine is Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences by Norman L. Geisler and Ralph E. MacKenzie

You can get a used copy off amazon for under $5.

This is an older book (published in 1995) and is from an Evangelical point of view but the writers made a strong effort to accurately portray Catholic teachings, including consulting Catholic Answers (way before it was a website).

Now I will give the disclaimer that your average Evangelical church may deviate somewhat from what the Evangelical position is in the book. We live in a free country and anyone can start a church and call it “Evangelical” or “Baptist” or “Methodist”. However, In my opinion, it does a pretty good job of explaining the historical position of American evangelicals.
 
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