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Hope1960 said:
The Student Pastor kept referring to his Bible when I was asking him questions over the phone. He kept saying something like “Let’s see what the Bible says”. The lead Pastor refers a lot to Scripture during his sermons. I guess they’re Sola Scriptura.
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There’s really no such thing as Sola Scriptura because, outside the Catholic Church, everyone just interprets Scripture through their own lens, or through that of their denomination. I highly recommend reading this little booklet. It is very short but the logic is devastating. It is actually what started me on my journey towards the Catholic Church. Might be good for discussing with your priest.
Scripture Alone? 21 Reasons to Reject “Sola Scriptura” by Joel S. Peters
 
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theCardinalbird said:
What’s a CARM experience?
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🙂 It’s an experience whereby you are ridiculed for believing what someone says you believe, whether you believe it or not; and are prevented from clarifying what you really believe, except in those cases where what you really believe is also made out to be evil garbage, despite the fact that it comes straight from the Scriptures. Oh, and you don’t get to ask any pointed questions, under pain of banishment.
 
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It’s an experience whereby you are ridiculed for believing what someone says you believe, whether you believe it or not; and are prevented from clarifying what you really believe, except in those cases where what you really believe is also made out to be evil garbage, despite the fact that it comes straight from the Scriptures. Oh, and you don’t get to ask any pointed questions, under pain of banishment.
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LOL. You said it better than I. But don’t forget the part about how the mods participate in this experience.
 
@Hope1960, if you convert to an ND Church how then will you reconcile your knowledge that Mary is the Mother of God with the denial of many of these denominations that Mary is the Mother of God. In their denial, they claim only that Mary is the mother of the human Jesus. This is a heresy the Catholic Church denied in the very early centuries.
Please read the CARM link on this issue. It is a good place to start, in contemplating a move.
 
One question: Why?

If we continuously focus on hatred and error, we will lose our faith! It is spiritually dangerous.

Stick with the Church which Christ founded for our salvation and pray for the those stumbling in darkness.

Seriously.
 
Hope1960 said:
On whether the CC is really the one true, first Church started by the Apostles, if belief in the Eucharist was taught by the Apostles from the beginning and if Catholics really put the Bible together.
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Well from your post here it sounds like you at least believe that Jesus used the Apostles to start His one true Church.

Do you also believe Jesus when He said He would be with His Church til the end of the age? Because in my mind if you also believe Jesus’ words here then the only way I could imagine you doubting is if you discovered another church who has historically been around since the time of the Apostles.

As for the Eucharist I would read the Church Fathers.

As for the Bible have you read the history on the Bible at all?

God Bless
 
LateranBasilica said:
if you convert to an ND Church how then will you reconcile your knowledge that Mary is the Mother of God with the denial of many of these denominations that Mary is the Mother of God. In their denial, they claim only that Mary is the mother of the human Jesus. This is a heresy the Catholic Church denied in the very early centuries.
Please read the CARM link on this issue. It is a good place to start, in contemplating a move.
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Do you have a link?
 
I do, however CAF says the post needs to be approved. Go to the CARM website, go to world religions , go to Roman Catholicism, go to Mary. Under Mary go to “Is Mary the mother of God?”
 
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LateranBasilica said:
I do, however CAF says the post needs to be approved. Go to the CARM website, go to world religions , go to Roman Catholicism, go to Mary. Under Mary go to is Mary the mother of God.
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Ok thanks. I have to go somewhere but will check it out either later tonight or tomorrow.
 
Yes, I’m sure it is. But since the Bible is not self-interpreting, what authority does that church have? If, for example, the people claim that John 6 is all figurative, and that the Eucharist is symbolic only, not really Christ’s Body and Blood (which is what most if not all ND churches teach), how can they claim to have the authority to state that the text where Jesus literally uses the word ‘gnaw’ in reference to eating His flesh is 'just symbolic?" (Remember, for the first 1500 years of Christianity, the Church --Western and Eastern–NEVER taught such a thing. From the beginning, the Eucharist was taught to be the Real Presence, real Flesh and Blood.) There is absolutely nowhere in the text that says, “What Jesus says here is symbolic” and, in fact, the text remarks that the saying is so hard and unbelievable that most of His disciples left Him. Why would they do such a thing if this was just Jesus being 'symbolic"? If He was truly using this as a metaphor, and being God, knew that the people were misunderstanding, why didn’t He say, “Hey, I was just being figurative?” And why is this text even included in Scripture, if after His resurrection when He taught the apostles, He made it clear to them, "Well, I was just testing THOSE guys, but y’all know I was only symbolic, so when you talk about that, tell the people who are going to be reading the King James version in about 1600 years very clearly, “this whole speech about eating flesh is only symbolic, otherwise people will be very confused and we’ll NEVER get the Catholics to be real Christians!”
 
Do you understand what is meant when we say Mary is the Mother of God? As you know, she is the mother of Jesus, right? The next time you go to CARM, (I would rather you do not go there again) go to the prayer request section and find someone to pray for. Sincerely pray a Hail Mary for them and their needs. Then type the Hail Mary prayer for that person, hit reply, or submit, or whatever and see what happens.

Let me know what they think about the Mother of Jesus. Lets see if they honor Mary just as Jesus did. Or do they put her in a corner and forget about her, or worse. I doubt that prayer will last very long.
 
GladTidings said:
Do you understand what is meant when we say Mary is the Mother of God? As you know, she is the mother of Jesus, right? The next time you go to CARM, (I would rather you do not go there again) go to the prayer request section and find someone to pray for. Sincerely pray a Hail Mary for them and their needs. Then type the Hail Mary prayer for that person, hit reply, or submit, or whatever and see what happens.

Let me know what they think about the Mother of Jesus. Lets see if they honor Mary just as Jesus did. Or do they put her in a corner and forget about her, or worse. I doubt that prayer will last very long.
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They’d have a fit if I did that, lol.
 
Exactly. What do you think your non-d pastors think about Mary? Probably not as bad as CARM, but not as good as Catholics, right?
 
Hope1960 said:
Anyone else have CARM experiences?
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Nope, never heard of it until now. I scrolled through some posts. At first, it seemed like it would be a fun place to troll the trolls, take potshots like a sniper and disappear. But then I figured it wouldn’t be worth my time.
 
Hope1960 said:
I can’t find my old post about this so I’m starting a new thread.
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You can look in your “activity” and sometimes find a thread, if it has not been removed.

I find the search feature here at the new format less than useful, but if you go out to Google, and enter the title and your username you can usually find it.
Hope1960 said:
OMG, these people are ridiculous.
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Well, you have to consider the source. This group represents an aggressively anti-Catholic perspective that is not very common among ND communities.
Hope1960 said:
These people are rude, presumptuous, insulting and they have such a double standard. I now know why the posters are so rude…so are their mods. If I wasn’t so interested in learning more, they’d be fun to toy with.

Anyone else have CARM experiences?
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I tried posting there, and had the same experience. I was told that Catholics are not considered part of the household of God, so there is no obligation to treat us with charity.

“So then, whenever we have an opportunity, let us work for the good of all, and especially for those of the family of faith.” Galatians 6:10
 
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