Another Day for Isalm

[Eireann]

Some of the responses to this thread remind me why I left Christianity

You aren’t leaving/left Christians, you are leaving Christ to which there is no other way to heaven.
No other that came before Jesus or after Him can save you…

John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. **No man **cometh to the Father, but by me.

John 8:12 Again therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying: I am the light of the world:** he that followeth me, walketh not in darkness**, but shall have the light of life.

Ecclesiasticus
15:17 He hath set water and fire before thee: stretch forth thy hand to which thou wilt. 18 Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him:

There are only two things to choose from, life or death, light or darkness, God or the devil…Heaven or Hell.

Choose wisely…

 

[bella5110]

Oh please Longinus…this forum should make you want to come back…your filled with excuse after excuses.

 

[Damascus]

Oh please Longinus…this forum should make you want to come back…your filled with excuse after excuses.

Dear bella,

I have missed any posts he may have made providing excuses!
He does not from what I can see.
Does he need to? I dont know. If he has not its most likely because he does not feel he needs an excuse to begin with. Who here has challenged him to provide a reason why he has not returned? I musta missed those also.

We cant condemn him for something he has not done, right?

What have any of us done to make him want to come back?

 

[bella5110]

Dear bella,

I have missed any posts he may have made providing excuses!
He does not from what I can see.
Does he need to? I dont know. If he has not its most likely because he does not feel he needs an excuse to begin with. Who here has challenged him to provide a reason why he has not returned? I musta missed those also.

We cant condemn him for something he has not done, right?

What have any of us done to make him want to come back?

Damascus, this post should never of been posted. Catholics always second guessing Catholics on these threads…if you do not understand, then do not comment.

 

[Philthy]

there are over a billion people who find value in the islamic faith.

There is truth in the islamic faith. That people find value in it does not, of necessity, say something regarding the faith per se.
valke:

Many of these people give to charities, help their neighobrs, feed the orphans, clothe the naked.

If the Islamic faith promotes such things, then that is an example of some of the truth that it contains. I dont think anyone criticizes such behaviour.
valke:

More than one billion muslims prayed to God this week without killing anyone or burning anything to the ground.

Your point being…???
valke:

Today, millions and millions of people increased the amount of love, charity, and good deeds, and attributed all of this to their islamic faith.

Excellent! It is not the good of the Islamic faith that anyone criticizes - it is the violent distortion of it by extremists and the lack of a central authority within the faith to condemn those extremists as being “non-islamic” that has rightfully received so much attention.
valke:

And also today, billions of people made it through the entire day without blaming their troubles on Islam or bashing muslims, arabs, jews, mormons or christians.

I’ll take your word for it.
valke:

Here’s a little test. See if you can get through this thread without criticizing Islam, muslims, or arabs, or without telling us why your religion is better then theirs. Even if it means just ignoring this thread if you can’t bring yourself to post something positive.

That would be something to see.

Consider it done! And while we’re at it, lets see if our Muslim friends can reciprocate by not claiming that the non-Islamic world is unjustly criticizing them for the negative attention that they have received as a result of those Muslims who see violence as foundational to their faith. Sound fair enough? Shalom my friend.

 

[Loginus]

There is truth in the islamic faith. That people find value in it does not, of necessity, say something regarding the faith per se.

If the Islamic faith promotes such things, then that is an example of some of the truth that it contains. I dont think anyone criticizes such behaviour.

Your point being…???

Excellent! It is not the good of the Islamic faith that anyone criticizes - it is the violent distortion of it by extremists and the lack of a central authority within the faith to condemn those extremists as being “non-islamic” that has rightfully received so much attention.

I’ll take your word for it.

Consider it done! And while we’re at it, lets see if our Muslim friends can reciprocate by not claiming that the non-Islamic world is unjustly criticizing them for the negative attention that they have received as a result of those Muslims who see violence as foundational to their faith. Sound fair enough? Shalom my friend.

Have you read the entire post? This was a thread intended to calm ppl down and it was twisted into a malicious hate post.
If anyone is at all curious, the reason I left Christianity is because of ppl like those who responded. Instead of leaving a harmless post alone, they went out of their way to vent their hatred for an entire religion/ppl.
I figure neither God nor Jesus promoted intolerance, hatred, or arrogance. I have no problem with Jesus’ teachings, its just Ill never see them if I had remained in christianity

 

[Karin]

Have you read the entire post? This was a thread intended to calm ppl down and it was twisted into a malicious hate post.
If anyone is at all curious, the reason I left Christianity is because of ppl like those who responded. Instead of leaving a harmless post alone, they went out of their way to vent their hatred for an entire religion/ppl.
I figure neither God nor Jesus promoted intolerance, hatred, or arrogance. I have no problem with Jesus’ teachings, its just Ill never see them if I had remained in christianity

please dont lump all of us into your general assumptions of Catholics.

 

[Loginus]

please dont lump all of us into your general assumptions of Catholics.

Im sry, but with so many loud voices and no one opposing them (at least in this thread) its easy to mistake the religion for something else

 

[inJESUS]

I have no problem with Jesus’ teachings, its just Ill never see them if I had remained in christianity

Christianity is Jesus . When you leave Christianity, you leave Christ, not people. When you leave Christ because of people, it means people are more important than Jesus…am sure you know what Jesus said about those who love anything more than Him.

Back to the OP, and from someone living among Muslims, i can say, as some said, there are good people and bad people in all religions. There are good actions by people from different religions or even atheists. Our problem is with Islam, not Muslims. More precisely, with the bad things in Islam that make good people bad.

 

[DILCIA]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church 841, says “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day”
I know a Catholic whose brother in law is a Muslim and she has been to Jordan and Israel. She found everyone there to be very kind and hospitable all the religions.
I will say one thing that all religions seem to be taking a bashing at the moment. In England people keep telling us we can’t do stuff because muslims may not like it . In fact, they have said nothing of the kind and it is secular people who say this. It seems to put religions agains each other. In the UK we only have about 10 % of Christians who attend church on Sunday and Jews and Muslims are much much less. Our population is mostly ‘pagan’ in my opinion. The USA seems much more religious than we are.
Anyhow, even though I don’t agree with the muslim religion anymore than I do some other religions they have a right to believe it.
I understand that Gandi said he might become a christian if he had ever met one. In other words we don’t practice what we preach.

 

[Mijoy2]

A nihilist denies artificially constructed universals. Notions of good and bad can have an underlying true universal, but for much different reasons than just ‘God said so’. Seeing as this is you pumpqueen, I suggest you ask yourself the very same question

web definition:
the belief that there is** no universal truth** or underlying reality that undergirds moral values; that ultimately existence is meaningless. From the Latin “nihil” or “nothing”.

Loginus, Do you think existence is meaningless?

 

[TheGarg]

For those who could not find it in their hearts or concience (sp?) to post something positive, all you had to do was ignore the thread. Just this one out of the dozen of threads that are currently dedicated to telling muslims why they are wrong.

Mother theresa said, what ever you are, muslim, jew, christian, hindu, buddhist…be the best one you can be…

i have a couple of muslim friends, and i pray for them everyday, and I hope they pray for me, cause i need lots of it.

as right as everyone is, in some way, even if small, that does not give license to be un-Christ like…

Peace of the Lord be with you all…

 

[Karin]

Mother theresa said, what ever you are, muslim, jew, christian, hindu, buddhist…be the best one you can be…

There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Mulsim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. ~Mother Theresa

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I think it’s strange that people can ignore the charitable and reasonable posts on this topic (and yes there have been several, my own I trust being one of them ) and focus only on attempting to find negatives (and not always correctly)–not in order to do something positive and help people, but in order to justify their own adverse reactions and actions regarding Christians.

 

[Eireann]

Have you read the entire post? This was a thread intended to calm ppl down and it was twisted into a malicious hate post.

Mine isn’t hate, I don’t even know you, just stating what Jesus said, that there is no other way to the Father but through Him, if we reject that then…

Anyone being charitable and giving to the poor is a step in the right direction, maybe the grace of God has/will touched them in ways only known to Him.

Can you point out the hate filled posts # etc so that I can refrain from responding, it’s hard to tell with generalizations ?

 

[Valke2]

But do you feel compelled to defend them in your own country? Thousands of Palestinians are dead. What about Iran? Would you be compelled then? They don’t want Israel on the map!

I am not defending terrorists or Iran’s statements regarding Israel. I am not even defending Islam. I am simply acknowledging that like all religions, it is made up of people who are basically as good hearted as anyone else. Is that a concept that anyone truly doubts?

 

[Valke2]

Not at all. I’m merely asking for something to back up your assertion other than liberal myth-making.

And, judging from your response lacking in any such information, it’s clear that you just made up something that was comfortable to your point of view.

The thing is… if you want to challenge people with information of some sort, you should actually have information at hand. As it is, you made an assertion that was basically nonsense, and made claims about Muslim wonderfulness that you haven’t backed up.

I’m not saying that Muslims aren’t wonderful; I’m saying that you should provide proof that they are instead of just making a declarative statement that is just as irrational as you think people are being toward Muslims.

You are right. There are things that I take for granted. Just as I can’t find proof that yesterday christians all over the world engaged in acts of lovinging kindness, I can’t find proof that muslims, jews or any other group did either. I am assuming, with a fair degree of certainity, however, that these actions occurred and that all three faiths engaged in them. Please note that I did not intend to suggest that every muslim did this yesterday.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

No one doubts that the people of all religions are basically as ‘good hearted’ as anybody else; we are all human.

But the problem is that religion is not judged on just whether someone is ‘good hearted’. A good heart may be tragically mistaken, not just spiritually but in other ways (physical, emotional) as well.

 

[Valke2]

Are you certain it is the posts and not yourself?

You should at least be open to that possibility.

Maybe your reasons for defending Islam are irrational. Maybe they are well-considered. It’s difficult to know because you are applying different standards and made-up facts. Although that lack of real information and fairness doesn’t bode well for your case.

It is not my case. These posts speak for themselves. I think my problem is that I held the posters to a higher standard, this being a religious thread. I assumed there would be a higher level of tolerance here than in other places. I’ve been accused of Christian bashing several times. I can either lower my standards and not be disappointed or the poster’s can raise theirs.

 

[Valke2]

I respect sincere religious conviction of Muslims or anyone else.

I also hope that Muslims care enough about Truth and care enough about me to explain why they believe their religion is better than mine - by which I mean truer - when the chance to discuss it comes along. There is nothing inherently uncharitable about evangalization. Some people do use religious differences as an excuse to be prejudicial or arrogant, but when done in a spirit of genuine concern for another person’s well-being, an attempt at evangalization should be seen as an attempt at giving a gift.

Given everything you say is true, I’ve seen precious little evidence here that evangalization is being done in the spirit of genuine concern. In general. I don’t mean this to be a criticism of any of your posts.