Another homosexuality thread

[Dominique1234]

Well, OK.

But there’s some obvious problems with that.

For one, I do like to think that the Church has some reasons beyond “because I said so.” I don’t imagine God would give us brains and then ask us not to use them, right?

For another, We have to talk to people who aren’t necessarily of the same position on the Church’s teachings. Clearly, for example, an unrepentant homosexual is not of the same position. So, “The Church said so,” is not a very compelling reason for them to **deny their natural tendency **and something that they take great joy in.

This I have a problem with. How do we know this is their ‘natural’ tendency? How do we know if they weren’t abused, molested, or mistreated at any point in their confusing, post pubescent adolescence, where their hormones are going crazy, not knowing what to think of it? Or even what kind of upbringing they’ve had?

These are all pertaining questions that could potentially be the SOURCE of their ‘natural’ tendency… we don’t know what they’ve gone through in life that has lead to their conclusions of being ‘homosexuals’. We need to find the source of their ‘nature’, and how it was brought about.

I understand what you are trying to say. I mourn over the loss of every loved one I’ve lost. It’s not easy, what so ever. But!! Until THEY put themselves in OUR shoes and know what God teaches, there’s no hope for any type of agreement on the subject. It’s truly up to them to figure it out, like so many I know who HAVE made the effort in seeking the understanding of our position, and making the conclusion that we are obedient to God’s commandments and laws.

People change, but God does not. And that’s for our greater good.

Secondly, what do you mean, by “things they take great joy in” ? Do you mean the relationship they share, which includes the sexual nature of it as well? Anyone who has had any type of sexual relation with another will have some stronger bond with that person. Attachment if you will. It affects our psychological, our physical, and our emotional. Some run from it fearing commitment issues, etc… but most share a bond like no other.

Love is a decision, and unfortunately, people think it’s a feeling. I think in this case, he made the decision to love, and he lost that love. I decide to love my parents, brothers, sisters, (in-law as well) and to lose any one of them, I would be devastated. This just goes to show that the media is also trying to normalize it, using this situation to portray its normalcy, which is it not. The more you watch gory movies, the more desensitized one becomes. This is what the media is doing. Desensitizing us by having people watch these types of scenarios over and over, trying to make it normal.

Read the CCC. You’ll find answers. Seek and ye shall find. Hopefully this has helped, if not I’m sorry for even typing a word! lol

God bless.

 

[Dominique1234]

Gay men don’t care or need or want their marriages recognized by the church. They want it recognized by the law. I heard somebody else here what would be required for consummation. Well unless the law says sex consumes a marriage, it is a religious teaching in which, once again, it wouldn’t apply to the gays because they are marrying without the church. I’d also like to say that there is no such thing as consummation in a lesbian or gay marriage. There needs to be a male part entering the female part. Two women can’t do that. And while two men can do it, they are not actually having sex in its natural tendency. The lord told me that anal sex is a perversion. It is a an unnatural, unhealthy (physically and mentally) act of sex. Its damaging mentally because it is a lust, and giving into lust creates more lust, and its damaging physically in a number or ways. Its taking what God made good (vaginal sex made for love making and reproduction) and perverting it for their own pleasure. It is disgusting and unnatural in ANY relationship, including heterosexuals. Lesbians are also unable to naturally penetrate each other so that means no consummation for them either.
I’m saying that their marriage wouldn’t be a true marriage under God, just under the law which is perverted anyways.

Marriage comes from God, not from law… therefore it’s not the government’s business. The GOVERNMENT is the evil that should stay out if it. Simple as that.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

You will find no help here, I’m afraid.

Affirmation of homosexual acts? No. Understanding of a heavy cross to bear? Yes, as with those who live with impediments equal or greater in suffering to homosexual attraction.

Nobody is jumping up and down when homosexuals carry on with their private lives, including physical expression of their attraction and love for their partners.

The problem is when apologists try to make the case for same sex ‘marriage’ and adoption of children thinking they can change Church teaching and faithful Catholics to approve of such. Not going to happen.

Think the position is unique? How about checking with non-Catholic sites, by Mormons, Baptists and mainstream Christians, Muslims and conservative Jews?
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[CopticChristian]

When I see a video like this, it’s just hard for me to respond with the Catholic line about homosexuality being evil.

Just bear with me before reacting. I think that I understand what the problem is… I mean, I’m looking at this video and seeing love, straight up… love…genuine love… there’s no better way to describe what this man has for the man that he lost.

By contrast, why am I telling him that all of that was wrong or evil? Because in the opinion of the Church, God did not “design” it that way? Because it’s “unnatural”?

Even after reading all of the literature, I still can’t wrap my head around what “designed” or “unnatural” mean in this context.

Instead, I find myself being nothing less than INFURIATED with not the homosexual but the family of the deceased. I find their actions so cruel and uncaring, I can’t ever imagine acting like that if my son were in the same situation.

So some questions:

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What I understand is that in such a situation, I’m to have these goals:

Right now, I can’t accomplish any of these three goals. None of my Catholic education in middle school, high school, university, or in working for the Church for years has prepared me to accomplish any of these three goals. So please tell me, in such a situation, how would I go about accomplishing these three goals?

Veritas,

1. Articulate the reasons why this is wrong.

The Church teaches it is wrong and that is why it is wrong. The secenario created sadness as a result of venturing into conforming to the world. This is sad. The world is not required to conform to the immoral.

1. Deny the love that existed between these men.

What is love. The music that this Homosexual person is going to heaven begs the question. When you watch with the music off then there is no emotion. I deny that they have love. What is love. Love is willing someone to God and live in immorality is not willing someone to God.

1. Explain why the Catholic position is the position of “true love.”

In the beginning God created them Male and Female…nothing more be said…

 

[Edward_H]

The Church’s understanding of love is willing the true good of another.

The best good another can have in this or the next world is divine union with God.

It’s not “experience” “emotion” “feeling” what some now superficially call love.

We can’t have the closest union with God if our wills aren’t in harmony with His.

The Church believes God’s will for us is so powerful it formed us and our facilities.

Our destination is divine union with God, and it’s so important that God didn’t want us to forget our destination so He wrote it into the design of our bodies. By ourselves…our shapes make no sense…in union and communion with our life long spouse we make sense, and our union here points to a larger union with God not just in heaven, but also today in this world…seeking union with His will now, today. Obeying his design and destination for us.

 

[CopticChristian]

I struggle with the issue of Homosexuality, and gay marriage… big time!

CatholicProud,

What is your struggle? There are truths, their are lies…do not be conformed to the world…renew your mind…and to do that you ask questions and get clarity…

 

[Sister_Terese]

Really that’s just mean. Of course they were in love. It’s clear. Who said anything about their relationship being based on sex? Love does not always mean sex.

Truth is always seen as “mean” when it disagrees with our opinions.

 

[Sister_Terese]

Why was this mean? I didn’t imply the relationship was based on sex, but only that homosexual relations (read as ‘acts’, not ‘relationships’) seek only pleasure from genital contact because it is not capable of procreation, and that is a perversion of true love given to humanity by God. True love combines the emotional and the sexual, and that is why it is only for husband and wife, because only then can the sexual act be true. It was given to us from God with a specific meaning and purpose, and using it outside of that is pleasure-seeking, plain and simple.

I’m not saying romantic love between a husband and a wife is the only form of love in the world - there is love for family, love for friends, compassion, etc. But when it comes to marriage, and physical relations, those are reserved for man and wife in true love.

In moral theology, there are three distinctive types of love: 1) agape (the love God has for us, not the other way around); 2) filial love (the love we have for our neighbor); and 3) eros (sexual love between a husband and a wife).