Another one bites the dust - bannon

[PRmerger]

Give me the proof that I whined and complained about Obama and/or Clinton like you whine and complain about Trump.

Nope. Please try to understand the objection.

I don’t ever tell someone that when she’s posing her opinion here on the CAFs that she’s whining. She is permitted to say her opinions here and I don’t ever demean her objections with a sneering "You’re just whining’.

Never.

But, if I did, while also posing my complaints, objections and opinions, then that would indeed be hypocritical, no?

See the objection, josie?

It’s not about politics.

It’s about telling yourself, “I get to do something but when others do it, I find it wrong”.

*“It’s only whining when you do it. When I do it it’s erudite opinion sharing!”

“Stop whining! But this is not a whine!”*

See how obnoxious those quotes are?

 

[josie_L]

Those on the right have complained about those 2.

They stated Obama divided the country. Obama hates cops. Voting for HRC would be voting for a mass killer.

Anyone who complains about Trump states that the person is still not over the elections from November

I’m not talking for them I’m talking for myself, i.e, do not accuse ME of double standards when, in fact, I barely ever complained about Obama (although there was a lot to complain about).

What I see a lot of here, however, and in the last 2 months is gratuitous complaining about Trump ad nauseam.

And if you didn’t like it when the right did it, why would you do it???

 

[MaryT777]

Nope. Please try to understand the objection.

I don’t ever tell someone that when she’s posing her opinion here on the CAFs that she’s whining. She is permitted to say her opinions here and I don’t ever demean her objections with a sneering "You’re just whining’.

Never.

But, if I did, while also posing my complaints, objections and opinions, then that would indeed be hypocritical, no?

See the objection, josie?

It’s not about politics.

It’s about telling yourself, “I get to do something but when others do it, I find it wrong”.

“It’s only whining when you do it. When I do it it’s erudite opinion sharing!”

“Stop whining! But this is not a whine!”

See how obnoxious those quotes are?

It’s easier when people stick to the topic of the thread and don’t accuse others of imaginary things like whining when they never have (Josie) Posts talking about what is whining and such clog up the thread and there are enough posts to be read that have content about the topic.

 

[josie_L]

Nope. Please try to understand the objection.

I don’t ever tell someone that when she’s posing her opinion here on the CAFs that she’s whining. She is permitted to say her opinions here and I don’t ever demean her objections with a sneering "You’re just whining’.

Never.

But, if I did, while also posing my complaints, objections and opinions, then that would indeed by hypocritical, no?

See the objection, josie?

It’s not about politics.

It’s about telling yourself, “I get to do something but when others do it, I find it wrong”.

“It’s only whining when you do it. When I do it it’s erudite opinion sharing!”

“Stop whining! But this is not a whine!”

See how obnoxious those quotes are?

Give me the proof that I whined about former president Obama like you whine about Trump, because my reference to “whine” was in relation to people constantly complaining about Trump, so if you are going to call me out on doing the same vis a vis Obama, a Democrat president. Then please provide proof.

 

[PRmerger]

No, I haven’t whined, and you can file through my 18 000 plus votes if you don’t believe me, i.e, I DID NOT spend my days endlessly complaining about Obama and/or Hillary like some people do here.

So I guess it is all in your mind.

Speaking as a daily observer, it’s quite true.

Instead of attacking those who don’t agree with Trump supporters, you should re-read your signature line and thank them.

I probably need to re-read mine.

QED

 

[josie_L]

QED

So I presume you found nothing.

 

[PRmerger]

You accused me of a double standard, now prove it. Or don’t ever mention it again.

I REALLY did not want to do this…but here. Just in the past 48 hours.

#allwhining

Well, geez, I guess we are becoming desensitized to terrorist attacks, not a single soul has yet responded.

Comparatively minor to whom, i.e., violence begets violence, and that kind of violent political climate/landscape will only result in death and destruction, as we saw in Charlottesville.

Does that include everything that has happened in the last year or so? Because I’ve been keeping track of Antifa. If you look at one of my posts on this thread regarding their agenda, you will see that they are indeed a threat to your democracy, i.e., they are calling for war and revolution and they will do so by being ungovernable.

They are calling each other comrade, that should clue you in as to what they are about.

She accused me of double standards, when that is not true, so whether you think that’s productive, is of no concern to me, it’s productive to me for the reasons I mentioned.

Now, if you want to defend yourself and say none of the above is whining, then, have the…er…

same standard…

and make sure you don’t call posts of others expressing their objections whining.

See?

You have the same standard for evaluating your posts as you do others.

You don’t call your posts “not whining” while calling other folks’ opinions "whining’.

 

[josie_L]

I REALLY did not want to do this…but here. Just in the past 48 hours.

#allwhining

Now, if you want to defend yourself and say none of the above is whining, then, have the…er…

same standard…

and make sure you don’t call posts of others expressing their objections whining.

See?

You have the same standard for evaluating your posts as you do others.

You don’t call your posts “not whining” while calling other folks’ opinions "whining’.

None, of those posts you put up are in reference to whining/complaining about Obama, they’re not even about whining.

You do know what whining means, right?

 

[PRmerger]

None, of those posts you put up are in reference to whining/complaining about Obama, they’re not even about whining.

You do know what whining means, right?

Example # 80789708 of “I get to do it, but when others do it, I object”.

I’m done here.

Now I’m just looking like I’m squashing a man when he’s already down.

josieL on ignore

 

[PRmerger]

Except though he said that no one was capable of fixing Washington like he was, his military instincts are better than the generals, fixing obamamcare was easy, he was working on a great plan.

Also Carl Ichan stepped down today as well as advisor

I’m hoping Jared can step up and advise.

Why Jared? What experience does he have?

 

[MaryT777]

I REALLY did not want to do this…but here. Just in the past 48 hours.

#allwhining

Now, if you want to defend yourself and say none of the above is whining, then, have the…er…

same standard…

and make sure you don’t call posts of others expressing their objections whining.

See?

You have the same standard for evaluating your posts as you do others.

You don’t call your posts “not whining” while calling other folks’ opinions "whining’.

Where were the whining about Obama posts? There were none.

 

[PRmerger]

Where were the whining about Obama posts? There were none.

Who said that she was whining about Obama?

She’s just whining. While objecting to others whining.

That’s a double standard.

Unless you want to say that she’s permitting herself to whine about everything else, but she can’t whine about Obama…and that posters here are permitted to whine about everything else but just not Trump?

Is that what you’re trying to defend, Mary?

If so…that’s just…weird.

Why should people be permitted to whine about everything else, just not Obama and Trump?

 

[PRmerger]

Who said that she was whining about Obama?

She’s just whining. While objecting to others whining.

And let me just be clear: I am only using “whining” here in the same genre as josie.

One cannot reserve for oneself the idea that “when I pose an objection it’s complaining and simply expressing one’s view, but when everyone else does it, it’s whining”.

So if it’s “whining” for her, it’s “whining” for everyone else.

I just happen to think that everyone here, when they pose an objection, isn’t whining.

They’re perfectly within their rights to complain and bemoan and object.

I never tell someone that her opinion is a “whine”.

…unless…of course, she has a double standard and calls what others do “whining” while , peculiarly, not seeing her own opinions as "whining’.

 

[josie_L]

Where were the whining about Obama posts? There were none.

Mary, she’s purposely moving the goal post, i.e., my reference to whining was only in reference to those constantly complaining about Trump.

A double standard would entail that I do likewise, i.e., constantly complain about Obama or Clinton, which I have not and which she cannot prove.

 

[josie_L]

And let me just be clear: I am only using “whining” here in the same genre as josie.

One cannot reserve for oneself the idea that “when I pose an objection it’s complaining and simply expressing one’s view, but when everyone else does it, it’s whining”.

So if it’s “whining” for her, it’s “whining” for everyone else.

I just happen to think that everyone here, when they pose an objection, isn’t whining.

They’re perfectly within their rights to complain and bemoan and object.

I never tell someone that her opinion is a “whine”.

…unless…of course, she has a double standard and calls what others do “whining” while , peculiarly, not seeing her own opinions as "whining’.

Sorry, but I never used “whining” in the manner you are using it, i.e., you are using “whining” in a generic way, whereas I was specifically targeting people who whine/complain about Trump incessantly.

It’s gratuitous at this point.

 

[MaryT777]

Sorry, but I never used “whining” in the manner you are using it, i.e., you are using “whining” in a generic way, whereas I was specifically targeting people who whine/complain about Trump incessantly.

It’s gratuitous at this point.

Yes, Your point was crystal clear. I appreciate your precise posts.

 

[OraLabora]

I’m not talking for them I’m talking for myself, i.e, do not accuse ME of double standards when, in fact, I barely ever complained about Obama (although there was a lot to complain about).

What I see a lot of here, however, and in the last 2 months is gratuitous complaining about Trump ad nauseam.

And if you didn’t like it when the right did it, why would you do it???

So when someone complains about Obama it’s justified because “there was a lot to complain about”, but when someone complains about Trump it is “gratuitous”?

Now there’s a double standard!!!

Trump has given lots of material to complain about.

I get that the right doesn’t like Obama. You should get that the left, the middle and sensible moderate conservatives don’t like Trump. Heck even many Republicans don’t like him.

It’s called “freedom of speech”. Both sides get to complain about their political rivals. Even most politicians get this. It isn’t whining, it’s a fundamental aspect of democracy.

The Republicans complained about Obama at every turn, and now the Democrats do the same for Trump. Quelle surprise! If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

In short, yes I believe you are holding Trump opponents to a different standard than Obama opponents.

It makes rational discourse with you very difficult.

 

[meltzerboy]

I truly cannot understand how anyone thinking person could have voted for Trump.

He’s a cheat. He has refused to pay poor, working-class people for the services for which he contracted. He defrauded others out of their money with his Trump University.

He’s incompetent. He was an incompetent businessman whose multiple bankruptcies destroyed many of his creditors but improved his bottom line, just as he and his companies are profiting from his presidency.

He lies. And his lies are stupid and easily disproved, like his claim about Trump Wineries this week, and the size of his electoral win, and the number of people who attended his inauguration, and the number of bills he’s signed, and not knowing who David Duke is, and his phones being tapped, an my personal favorites, all the plans he had for Day 1: He would hire the best of the best, he had a plan that would provide health care for everyone at a “fraction,FRACTION, of the cost”, and he would have a plan for defeating ISIS. None of that was true.

Trump is the most unqualified person ever to hold the office of the President of the United States. His knowledge of history, international relations, and governance is minuscule, and, what is worse, he is unaware of his ignorance and even less inclined to reduce it. He has made our great country a laughing stock on the world stage and reduced our influence and leadership to a point that will be very difficult to improve.

And he is a racist. Over the course of decades his companies were fined for discriminating against minorities numerous times, and his statements this week have divided this country as it has not been since the sixties. White supremacists and the KKK rightly viewed his statements as approval and encouragement for their hateful views.

And all this is justified because he nominated a SC Justice who is pro-life. If there has ever been a proof that the ends don’t justify the means, the 2016 election was surely it.

Again, how could any thinking person justify vote for this man? I know many on the right will say “But Hillary. . .” but, if she was deceptive (which I do not believe she was), she was smart enough to lie and not get caught. The R’s spent four years and $6+ million and couldn’t prove anything against her. A third-grader with yesterday’s newspaper could disprove Trump’s lies.

The answer to your question is that no THINKING person is likely to have voted for Trump. (I am leaving a little wiggle room so as not to be accused of calling ALL Trump voters “deplorables,” and also because a very good friend of mine voted for Trump and he is a thinking person.) The vast majority of people in the United States are NOT thinking people. They respond based largely on emotions, if not loving one candidate then hating the other. And, even more significantly, they have several of the same characteristics as Trump, which you enumerated. Trump is merely a reflection of modern cultural attitudes, which have been in decline for many years.

 

[Sophie_Lawrence]

Why Jared? What experience does he have?

He doesn’t have any.

I should have put an emoji after my last sentence. Something like, or It was a poor attempt at wit on my part.

I actually believe both Ivanka and Jared really should not be in the White House, but Trump has given Jared a pretty large portfolio of responsibilities.

nytimes.com/2017/04/03/opinion/jared-kushner-the-assistant-with-the-big-portfolio.html?mcubz=1

 

[SuperLuigi]

=meltzerboy;14859618]The answer to your question is that no THINKING person is likely to have voted for Trump. (I am leaving a little wiggle room so as not to be accused of calling ALL Trump voters “deplorables,” and also because a very good friend of mine voted for Trump and he is a thinking person.) The vast majority of people in the United States are NOT thinking people. They respond based largely on emotions, if not loving one candidate then hating the other.

Some conservatives, like Steven Crowder and Jared Monroe, were 11th hour 59 min. Trump supporters. Others like SooperMexican and Ben Shapiro didn’t vote for Trump. In any case, conservatives are at a bit of crossroads here and need to make the President doesn’t waver on key issues.

I can say for my part Trump never really EARNED my vote. It was a lesser of two evils.

And, even more significantly, they have several of the same characteristics as Trump, which you enumerated. Trump is merely a reflection of modern cultural attitudes, which have been in decline for many years.

Taken at the word of this comment, ironically, is that a lot of Americans voted for Trump as a means to preserve our values----or what’s left of them. But a lot of them voted for him as well because he played around just enough with entitlements to keep them. “Veiled promises” as Shapiro said.

Really, MB, it’s going to be much harder for folks on the mainstream left to keep defending what is going on unless they want to be all-in post-modernists. Even then, it’s just playing the game of who gets eaten last.

Steve Pinker, Dave Rubin, Brett Weinstein, Christina Hof-Sommers…the list goes on—all see the danger.

So wake up. Before it’s too late.