Another Slap In The Face For Americans!

[neat62]

Bullfighter;

I like they way you phrased that…WE had our chance…THEY blew it.

Well don’t read too much into that and not so much into the words as opposed to the message. I am not a lawyer. When the social revolution was happening, I wasn’t even born yet. It is much harder to change things now that they are mainstreamed versus trying to contain things from spreading.

 

[neat62]

The Catholic Church played a minor role in the forming of the United States of America. As any non-Catholic loves to point out all the blood on the hands of those Catholics who invaded lands south of the American border and forced Catholicism on the natives there. I am a Catholic and I know the last thing you want to claim about the Catholic Church’s history is that it was all about the poor. It was about conquest.

The Catholic Church owes a great deal to the United States as this is one of the few countries where you can practice any religion you want without government interference. Religions in the US are also tax exempt so why are you complaining about the treatment the religions receive.

The world has been fortunate that the US is the world’s policeman. Would you rather see all of Latin America have nuclear weaponry?

America doesn’t do enough to love thy brother? Did you ever look at all the US casualties from the wars forced upon the US in the 20th Century? And when those wars were over, did America take any territory? Did American soldiers get rich?

What about the billions of dollars of medical and food aid that the US sent south of the border. The average Mexican has a life expectancy almost a long as that of the US citizen because of all that aid.

And yet the people from those same countries that we took care of for all those years are the ones who sneak across our border and demand that we hand them the American way of life…OR ELSE!

Those poor oil rich countries wouldn’t have economies without US aid. But the US always gets blamed for their greed. It is those who are in power in those countries that don’t share the wealth with their own people. That has been proved over and over again.

The only thing the United States of America is really guilty of is making its neighbors feel entitled to the American handout. We have made every country south of our border a welfare state.

 

[neat62]

Bullfighter;

You have read an American History book at one time or another? Our system of government is Anglo Saxon based. If that’s racist to you, than that is racist TO YOU!

As far as attacking me for telling the truth, what is your point. I am for a fair immigration that will allow people from all over the world to get a chance at the American dream. It is the evil who force its way into our country that must be stopped.

I didn’t vote for Obama.

I would have prefered a man who is worthy of the Office, Colin Powell.

aaron4h.com/Documents/ThumbsDown.jpg

 

[bookgirl32]

I should specify that it is the Archdiocese of Chicago that is the group who ran the collection. I am obviously not blaming the Catholic Church as a religion, or blaming all Catholics in the world. The religious organizations in areas where the “immigrants” have tended to group “en masse” are being used to attack the American system of justice and our own laws for purposes of getting their people to infiltrate into the United States.

I should also mention that the Archdiocese of Chicago’s website is using links to various “immigrant” organizations which tends to give them legitimacy. Their sole purpose is to encourage the invasion of the US and to make their claim in this country seem just. They do not in anyway want a fair immigration policy that would benefit the people of the world. These people wish to force their culture onto American society and eventually, to dominate it.

Now does that seem a worthy cause for the Catholic Church to be endorsing?

First of all, show me an official doctrine that says the Church is endorsing anything that you’re talking about. Second of all, you’re sounding dangerously close to a mindset that could be called racism, although I’m not accusing you of it b/c I don’t know you. I’m out of this thread, I was just defending the Church. You may be speaking of actual events, but I doubt very much your presentation of them is anything near factual.

 

[neat62]

[Bullfighter;

It would be nice to think that all we have to do is to let God handle everything. That is exactly how Nazi Germany developed. It wasn’t because too few oppossed it. It was because of the millions who did nothing.

It’s not that they did nothing, but that they supported Hitler. He gave them food and jobs and got out of the treaty of Versailles. Much like Obama is promising, with the exception of Versailles, of course.

 

[bookgirl32]

Well you will never be a native American who are actually the people in the land long before the white man touched the soil there.

By the way, I am not American and nor do I live in America so can you tell me who these “invaders” are.

Please don’t let this one person shape your opinion of Americans. He’s really making no sense to me so I can’t comment completely, but he’s obviously speaking in an inflammatory way. None of us “own” the US, not even the Native Americans. God owns it, just as He owns all the Earth, and we all have a responsibility towards all of God’s people, not just he people who live in the country He decided to put us in.

 

[CesarAugusto]

This is the kind of attitude that makes Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens bestselling authors.

It is sad that so often Christianity is associated with this nationalist and racist attitude…

I’m not American, but also come from a country of immigrants. America was made by immigrants and it is part of its essence that it changes and that it has a dynamic “culture.” Trying to define American culture as a monolyth is silly. In 50 years from now, American culture will be very different from today, as today’s culture is way different from the 1800s.

 

[bookgirl32]

You have read an American History book at one time or another? Our system of government is Anglo Saxon based. If that’s racist to you, than that is racist TO YOU!

As far as attacking me for telling the truth, what is your point. I am for a fair immigration that will allow people from all over the world to get a chance at the American dream. It is the evil who force its way into our country that must be stopped.

I didn’t vote for Obama. I would have prefered a man who is worthy of the Office, Colin Powell.

Do you understand what “Anglo-Saxon” is? It is the name given to the people that conquested and populated the Eastern and Central areas of England. They came from the continent looking for land to invade or settle in England. They were able to do so because the Roman occupation had basically ended and left the island un-policed and the native Celts open to invasion. They didn’t have a “government”. They had warrior kings that ruled over their own particular areas of the country, just as the Celts did in the West. An actual government formed in the wake of the Norman Conquest when actual monarchies were established in England. Although I would definitely call England a free country, in terms of democracy I would say that the US did not “base” anything off of “Anglo-Saxon government”.

American democracy has it’s origons in Greece and Rome, not England. And the Greeks and the Romans were far from “Anglo-Saxon”, and sure didn’t speak English.

 

[Maui71]

Redhen,

Wow have you ever left the US?

Do you really think that it is the white population that feeds the world?

One of the biggest problems the “west” has is perception. Most people that believe in the “supremacy” of the “west” have never left their country. They only have CNN and other news services for a frame of reference or NatGeo for 40 minutes of some distant in the Amazon never before contacted village experience.

The perception is that the “west” sends daily freighters of wheat, rice, barley, and powdered milk to the 4 corners of the world. Then the populations of those corners stand in line waiting for their ration to be given them from these freighters. Oh if it were only that simple.

Quote Redhen "Charity is all good and fine, but you wouldn’t perform it if it meant your destruction. "

So how would you reconcile that belief with Mark 12:41-44
Douay Rheims
41 And Jesus sitting over against the treasury, beheld how the people cast money into the treasury. And many that were rich cast in much. 42 And there came a certain poor widow: and she cast in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And calling his disciples together, he saith to them: Amen I say to you, this poor widow hath cast in more than all they who have cast into the treasury. 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want cast in all she had, even her whole living.

NIV
41Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins,[v]worth only a fraction of a penny.[w]
43Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

Did not Christ give all? Did he not teach us to give all?

Finally the world population theory is that just a theory. What modern scholars are finding is a sustained population. There are 4 variants to the UN Pop Div population database and one of the variants maintains the population between 6-7 billion. Another one puts the population in 2050 at 11.8 billion. Quite a significant margin of error there don’t you think.

Now don’t get me wrong. I am a staunch supporter of the US and the West but I make no illusions about our strengths and our weaknesses. What some in the west have lost is their sense of Charity and have taken an elitist platform. Sometimes it seems like the rhetoric used comes from Mein kampf or some Nazi propaganda and the word Jew is changed to Latin, Black, African, Asian, Caribbean, Mexican or whatever and Germany to USA. (Not saying that you do Redhen)

One cannot call themselves Catholic and hate/despise your neighbor.

 

[bookgirl32]

You have read an American History book at one time or another? Our system of government is Anglo Saxon based. If that’s racist to you, than that is racist TO YOU!

As far as attacking me for telling the truth, what is your point. I am for a fair immigration that will allow people from all over the world to get a chance at the American dream. It is the evil who force its way into our country that must be stopped.

I didn’t vote for Obama. I would have prefered a man who is worthy of the Office, Colin Powell.

Well, first of all he didn’t run, second of all he endorsed Obama. I didn’t, I endorsed McCain, but that’s because Obama is prejudiced against a certain area of the US (and world) population, the unborn.

 

[bookgirl32]

What qualifies an Indian as being Native. Being the first does not necessarily make one the best. A native is one who has nowhere else to go.

Huh?

 

[redhen]

First of all, show me an official doctrine that says the Church is endorsing anything that you’re talking about.

catholic-caveman.blogspot.com/search?q=immigration

 

[bookgirl32]

catholic-caveman.blogspot.com/search?q=immigration

Um . . . official doctrine?

 

[bookgirl32]

Look, I’m as patriotic as any other American. I think that the US deserves MUCH praise for the good things it has done. I also think that it has done things that are not good. So has every country.

I just get very irritated when someone insinuates that the Church is in the wrong because they didn’t put the interests of the US above everything else. It’s not the Church’s duty to do that.

 

[neat62]

bookgirl32;

Although I would definitely call England a free country, in terms of democracy I would say that the US did not “base” anything off of “Anglo-Saxon government”.

American democracy has it’s origons in Greece and Rome, not England. And the Greeks and the Romans were far from “Anglo-Saxon”, and sure didn’t speak English.

In contemporary usage, Anglo-Saxon can be used in various contexts to mean people predominantly descended from the English ethnic group.

English ethic group:

The English people (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England who speak English.

Bullfighter is correct.

Political research on Anglo-Saxon capitalism draws on liberal political theory and neoclassical economic thought. Within economic policy debates, advocates of the Anglo-Saxon model note the strong economic performance of the UK and especially the US during the 1990s to bolster claims that the ‘liberal market’ model of capitalism is superior to the Rhenish version. Extremely flexible labour markets and financial markets within Anglo-Saxon economies are seen as creating competitive advantages in newly developing or ‘radically innovative’ industries such as biotechnology or computer software.

answers.com/topic/anglo-saxon-capitalism

 

[redhen]

Redhen,

Wow have you ever left the US?

I’m not a U.S. citizen (I wish I was). I have Canadian and German citizenship. I worked in Arizona for 7 years, I worked in Germany for 5 years. I’ve traveled throughout Europe, and I’ve seen the backwaters of Mexico.

Do you really think that it is the white population that feeds the world?

Pretty much.

One of the biggest problems the “west” has is perception. Most people that believe in the “supremacy” of the “west” have never left their country. They only have CNN and other news services for a frame of reference or NatGeo for 40 minutes of some distant in the Amazon never before contacted village experience.

Like I said, I’ve worked in other parts of the world, but I have no desire to live in a “developing” country, thanks.

The perception is that the “west” sends daily freighters of wheat, rice, barley, and powdered milk to the 4 corners of the world. Then the populations of those corners stand in line waiting for their ration to be given them from these freighters. Oh if it were only that simple.

No, the shipments get hijacked by warlords or by the state (North Korea) and then used to feed their armies and free the dictators from feeding their people so they can buy Chinese military equipment.

Quote Redhen "Charity is all good and fine, but you wouldn’t perform it if it meant your destruction. "

So how would you reconcile that belief with Mark 12:41-44
Douay Rheims

I’m not a Christian (though I was baptized Catholic). I guess I frequent these boards for two reasons;

1. I admire the RCC for all that it’s done to create and **defend **western civilization.
2. wish fulfillment. I wish there was an afterlife where we could see our relatives, and reward those who led a good life.If only…

 

[Lujack]

In contemporary usage, Anglo-Saxon can be used in various contexts to mean people predominantly descended from the English ethnic group.

And this is historically incorrect, because it implies a unity that never existed. Tidewater plantation owners considered themselves ethnically distinct from upcountry regulators in the same way that the Irish and the Scots-Irish are ethnically distinct.

English ethic group:

The English people (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England who speak English.

Again, a unity that never existed.

Bullfighter is correct.

Political research on Anglo-Saxon capitalism draws on liberal political theory and neoclassical economic thought. Within economic policy debates, advocates of the Anglo-Saxon model note the strong economic performance of the UK and especially the US during the 1990s to bolster claims that the ‘liberal market’ model of capitalism is superior to the Rhenish version. Extremely flexible labour markets and financial markets within Anglo-Saxon economies are seen as creating competitive advantages in newly developing or ‘radically innovative’ industries such as biotechnology or computer software.

answers.com/topic/anglo-saxon-capitalism

While John Locke had an important influence on the United States, Voltaire, Rosseau, and Cicero had equally important influences. The government of the United States was never Anglo-Saxon.

 

[neat62]

Maui71

Now don’t get me wrong. I am a staunch supporter of the US and the West but I make no illusions about our strengths and our weaknesses. What some in the west have lost is their sense of Charity and have taken an elitist platform. Sometimes it seems like the rhetoric used comes from Mein kampf or some Nazi propaganda and the word Jew is changed to Latin, Black, African, Asian, Caribbean, Mexican or whatever and Germany to USA. (Not saying that you do Redhen)

Hardly an equal comparrison, Maui. We are not blaming our ills on minorities and/or seeking to annihilate them. Rhetoric may escalate by some out of frustration at our politicians who are more concerned with their votes than their nation and her people. Do we have issues with lawlessness and our economy and taxes? You bet, and we have every right to be upset about those issues.

One cannot call themselves Catholic and hate/despise your neighbor.

It’s not that we hate our neighbors, it’s that we have an issue with 15 million of them coming here illegally. And many of them using our tax payers services for free, only to take 20 billion out of our economy and send it elsware. Or lowering the standard of living and lowering of wages, all while violating our laws. You expect us to be gracious about that?

We should clamp up on charity, there seems to be plenty enoough to go around already!

 

[apromisemade]

“Therefore love one another, as I have loved you. For if you love one another, then all will know you are my disciples”

 

[Bullfighter]

Please don’t let this one person shape your opinion of Americans. He’s really making no sense to me so I can’t comment completely, but he’s obviously speaking in an inflammatory way. None of us “own” the US, not even the Native Americans. God owns it, just as He owns all the Earth, and we all have a responsibility towards all of God’s people, not just he people who live in the country He decided to put us in.

How can one tribe of Indians claim to own an area that could hold millions of people. The Europeans improved the land they entered. They broght civilization to America. No one can deny this. The American Indian was stuck in a world that was centuries old. That was the way it was.

Why do people defend the American Indian, then click away at their keyboards condemning those who defend progress? That’s crazy. Imagine a world where you live in a teepee instead of modern homes with all the conveniences. Would you prefer the teepee?