Answers from an Orthodox Jew

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By Jewish law, circumcision is required on the eighth day after birth unless there are medical reasons which prohibit this.
 
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In the modern age, it seems as though virtually EVERYTHING is a human-rights issue to be fought for or against, except certain religious rights.
 
I agree that liberal groups do pick up the fight for people that are able to pick up that fight themselves and are fine without their help. I’m just arguing against the cultural practice that instills a specific mindset that a certain group of people don’t get rights until they are old enough to fight for them. When you are already trained to think that group A gets rights but group B does not because of culture, not because of their innate humanity. That is always going to be a problem for society.
 
That is because religion had a pass for its practices up until recently. The excuse of cultural practice or religious freedom is not enough anymore as a valid argument.
 
I am fighting against cultural practices that instills a mindset that human rights are not universal to everyone. If you can alrady use the excuse of culture to remove a group of people’s human rights, then its easier to do that in that culture to other groups since you value culture over the people
 
Religious freedom is not absolute freedom as it has been on this issue up till now when we are finally allowed to critique religion. Its not getting a pass anymore
 
So the response to the mindset of My child, my right, my culture verse human rights is religious freedom. So where is the line for you in religious freedom? I claim the right to say that elective cosmetic surgery for religious branding to a group of people that have no say in it is a line too far. The reason this is not an issue to people it was performed on is because they cant remember the event and this is how their body was all their known life. Imagine if you did the exact same process when they are 30. They dont get to stop it, they are forced into it. I guarantee no one would let that be done to them without their concent. But because its an infant, its okay? That is fundamentally messed up.
Yeah 1st world problem since you do it to infants. 3rd world does it to 12 year old women. That makes it better for you since the infant can’t remember what it was put through. Even if it is administered through medical process, it is a violation of human rights. This is a practice that no one should be comfortable dismissing since the culture is now comfortable thinking like this instead of thinking human rights are rights regardless of the person or group or cultural excuse
 
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You keep repeating yourself. Many people do not consider it to be wrong. The constant refrain is not changing minds. Perhaps another venue would be more profitable.
 
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So the response to the mindset of My child, my right, my culture verse human rights is religious freedom
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If there were a large number, or even a statistically significant number, of Jewish men asking to outlaw the tradition of circumcising infant Jewish boys, this might be something to consider. But I don’t see the presumed victims of this speaking out.
 
I’m fine not changing these people’s minds. I just want to see where the current conversation on this issue is with the people that continue the practice. Its just come across as cultural tradition, its just something people do. But that is the problem isn’t it. This is how we can easily fall into the mindset that these people, the infants, are our property. They cant have rights except what we allow them to have, not what they have just for being human. Cultures that have that will always bemoan when that mindset is appied to them instead of having the mindset that people, regardless of group, have rights we are not to violate.
 
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Sorry, but I am only talking about the idea that people do not get rights to how their body is permanently augmented for tribal unity
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Tribal unity? Have you been watching too many “Survivor,” episodes?
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Stop changing the topic because it brings out your inner coward to not stay on this topic and contribute.
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That was an uncharitable thing to say. Perhaps the topic changes because it needed to be changed.
 
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That is because religion had a pass for its practices up until recently. The excuse of cultural practice or religious freedom is not enough anymore as a valid argument.
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Then why are you on a Catholic Forum?
 
Also, calling it not “medically necessary” as a reason to prohibit it admits a solely materialistic worldview and imposes that on the citizens. It is “spiritually necessary,” vital and essential, and without it a person is, to some extent, spiritually dead. Thus we believe, as we have for the past three and a half millennia, that circumcision is “spiritual” lifesaving surgery, if you want to put it in those terms. This is still America, not Iceland, and we will not submit to an imposed regime of atheism.
 
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Last week, with infinite thanks and praise to Almighty God, I had the merit of having my son (not my first or second either…) circumcised - by a mohel - in a synagogue. I joyously pronounced the blessing, “Blessed is He Who commanded me to enter my son into the covenant of Abraham our Forefather.”
Any Jew I know would have been extraordinarily dismayed and upset had his parents not done the same.
I once attended class at the university with a young man who became religious as a teenager and whose parents had never given him a Bris Milah. He elected to undergo it at age 18. He was in excruciating pain and could barely sit down for 3 days. His doctor told him that when certain anatomical events I won’t mention happen to him for months afterward he will feel pain.
My son is just fine now, thank God.
 
I have a question.

How have jews been expiating their sins, since there is no Temple in Jerusalem to offer sacrifices anymore?
 
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