"Anti-abortion demonstrators paint ’Black Preborn Lives Matter’ outside Baltimore Planned Parenthood." Report

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Too bad black lives matters is a Marxist, satanic terrorist group.

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People are painting a road in Atlantic city with black lives matter on Martin Luther boulevard.

Idk I think this further exemplifies racism.

If the media put man killed by corrupt cop…well it’s better. Recently on my google feed the cops put an anti spit hood on a guy (white). He died too.

But I back the cops. A criminal is a criminal.
 
It is easy for me to sit back and say this as a white, Christian, (on many issues) conservative male, but I would love to see enough black people, who purport to be pro-life, tell the Democratic Party point-blank, “you will adopt a pro-life agenda, and support our other interests and grievances, or we will just stay home on election day — and, as you well know, you need our votes”.

I’m not sure if the moral obligation to vote is so absolute, that bowing out of an election as a civil protest is something that goes against Catholic teaching. And I am well mindful of what black people had to go through, to get the vote in the first place.

And they could always vote Republican, which — help me out here — wasn’t that the party of Lincoln in the first place — you know, Abraham Lincoln, the guy who freed the slaves?
 
HomeschoolDad said:
And they could always vote Republican, which — help me out here — wasn’t that the party of Lincoln in the first place — you know, Abraham Lincoln, the guy who freed the slaves?
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Let’s be honest here, since the advent of the Southern Strategy, anyone who was a Republican in 1860 is more likely to a Democrat today.
 
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HomeschoolDad:
And they could always vote Republican, which — help me out here — wasn’t that the party of Lincoln in the first place — you know, Abraham Lincoln, the guy who freed the slaves?
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Let’s be honest here, since the advent of the Southern Strategy, anyone who was a Republican in 1860 is more likely to a Democrat today.
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That is true. The two parties have not always been as sharply divided as they are today. Black people overwhelmingly vote Democratic because the party explicitly advocates social policies that benefit them. The Republican party only offers a more nebulous concept of “less government with more individual initiative and opportunity” (or something like that). That is all well and good, but some people (not just blacks) are stuck in generational poverty and disadvantage from which not everybody is able to extricate themselves without the help of government benefits, programs, and social initiatives.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
And they could always vote Republican, which — help me out here — wasn’t that the party of Lincoln in the first place — you know, Abraham Lincoln, the guy who freed the slaves?
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History of the party doesn’t matter as long as voters are not happy with the present.

The Republican Party has been absolutely awful at getting black/minority support from a PR perspective because it’s difficult for them to talk about a less than perfect America regarding all the -isms. Say what you want about the Democrats and their dumb policies, but they do a good job at making certain groups feel heard. You definitely know about this so no need for specifics
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“you will adopt a pro-life agenda, and support our other interests and grievances, or we will just stay home on election day — and, as you well know, you need our votes ”.
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I think we talked about this before but how big is this group of people? I would imagine it to be small enough for the Democrat party to ignore but may need to see some stats on that.

The sentiment I see about voting in the black/poc community is that they have a certain sense of urgency that the white base don’t have. I see a lot of “if you vote 3rd party, you’re voting for trump” type of messaging. I think these groups tend to focus on their immediate needs first. If they perceive Republicans to be against their needs, they would vote for the other immediately as the pro life issue doesn’t affect them personally.

And this isn’t me judging them. I’m seeing former trump voters switching to Biden the moment they felt personally afflicted by the party (e.g. Healthcare, covid).

The pro life issue seems to be the utmost priority for the already privileged, or for the super religious. Both groups are quite small in the POC community imo? If I were to put myself in their shoes I would be very conflicted…very politically homeless.
 
Lea101 said:
The pro life issue seems to be the utmost priority for the already privileged, or for the super religious. Both groups are quite small in the POC community imo?
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Many of the POC do not tend to get abortions for a variety of reasons. In some cases they believe in sanctity of life, or in preserving a black life; in other cases the mom wants to keep the baby, either for emotional reasons or economic benefit or both.

I also think there’s a legitimate concern that poor people generally, and POC especially, might be pressured into having abortions (or even sterilizations) so white society doesn’t have to support and deal with their many children.

Also, there are a lot of religious black people in USA. Ministers and church leaders are often community leaders for them and do a lot of social justice and civil rights work. A lot of the prominent black leaders over the years were ministers.
 
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Lea101 said:
The Republican Party has been absolutely awful at getting black/minority support from a PR perspective because it’s difficult for them to talk about a less than perfect America regarding all the -isms. Say what you want about the Democrats and their dumb policies, but they do a good job at making certain groups feel heard
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If the media is overwhelmingly Democratic, no amount of skilled Republican communication will get your point across. No matter how bad a job the Democrats do, in governing or communication, it will come across in the media as a “good job”.
 
Lea101 said:
Say what you want about the Democrats and their dumb policies, but they do a good job at making certain groups feel heard. You definitely know about this so no need for specifics
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Oh, I am well aware of what the Democrats do. They do an outstanding job, second to none, in appealing to various groups, usually groups who see themselves as dispossessed or downtrodden on this level or that, create an environment of “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours”, and cobble together what you would think would be an unbeatable electoral Leviathan. The Republicans, on the other hand, are left with a loose confederation of people who are concerned with individual liberty, traditional family and social values, allowing free enterprise to flourish, or any combination thereof. Pro-choice Republicans are tolerated (as long as there aren’t too many of them and they’re not too vocal about it), whereas pro-life Democrats are orphans in their own party, all because the Democratic party insists that its adherents support each and every plank of their platform.
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HomeschoolDad:
“you will adopt a pro-life agenda, and support our other interests and grievances, or we will just stay home on election day — and, as you well know, you need our votes ”.
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I think we talked about this before but how big is this group of people? I would imagine it to be small enough for the Democrat party to ignore but may need to see some stats on that.
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Well, how many black Democrats claim to be pro-life? That’d pretty much answer that question.
Lea101 said:
The sentiment I see about voting in the black/poc community is that they have a certain sense of urgency that the white base don’t have. I see a lot of “if you vote 3rd party, you’re voting for trump” type of messaging. I think these groups tend to focus on their immediate needs first. If they perceive Republicans to be against their needs, they would vote for the other immediately as the pro life issue doesn’t affect them personally.
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The Republican party, at least its furthest-right fringes, has the potential for going against my needs — the most rabid of them would get rid of the Affordable Care Act (on which I rely for health insurance, if not for ACA, I’d have to go back to work), and possibly even do away with Medicare or Social Security itself. Yet I have to support them, odious as I find Donald Trump, for one reason and one reason only — Supreme Court Justices.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
Well, how many black Democrats claim to be pro-life? That’d pretty much answer that question.
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I think this is a small number. There are lots of religious black people, but they don’t care as much about the pro life issue perhaps? Over here we have many people who don’t support abortion but there is 0 push to make it illegal. Maybe it’s the same thing.
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Yet I have to support them, odious as I find Donald Trump, for one reason and one reason only — Supreme Court Justices.
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I think this is the same reasoning for Democrats. Not many people are for Biden/Harris but will be voting because of this reason.

It’s if like I asked you: Why can’t you withdraw your vote and demand the Republican Party for XYZ?

Many Republicans will unwillingly vote for Trump this year. You have your own political interests and feel like you need to vote despite possibly losing coverage and such. So does the black community.
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The Republicans, on the other hand, are left with a loose confederation of people who are concerned with individual liberty, traditional family and social values, allowing free enterprise to flourish, or any combination thereof.
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Yep, and if you look at their campaigning strategies, it just focuses on these issues. I guess they know that their base is mostly white and they’re just pandering to that, just like how the Democrats pander to minorities. Republicans seem to tolerate - isms until it’s glaringly obvious, and I think this is their undoing. But then again one can argue it’s just political as their base tends to tolerate quite a bit of social ills as well as they feel like it’s not the government’s place to deal with it or because they’re racist themselves. Before anyone screeches, I’m not saying that Republicans are racist, but simply that there are racists in favour of the Republican’s approach and it’s not a good image if you want the black vote. So they just stick to what they’re doing.

Of course the POC population will continue to grow and they would have to readjust. I’m interested to see this. The Democrat party will also have to deal with their insane claims eventually, by POC. Many Minority groups are against certain things like the gender ideology, so it would be interesting to see the party hit a brick wall, so to speak.
 
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HomeschoolDad:
Well, how many black Democrats claim to be pro-life? That’d pretty much answer that question.
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I think this is a small number. There are lots of religious black people, but they don’t care as much about the pro life issue perhaps? Over here we have many people who don’t support abortion but there is 0 push to make it illegal. Maybe it’s the same thing.
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I thought that black people, generally speaking, were politically liberal but socially conservative. The role of the black church is huge in their culture. I don’t know how they rationalize not making abortion an issue in their politics.
Lea101 said:
Of course the POC population will continue to grow and they would have to readjust. I’m interested to see this. The Democrat party will also have to deal with their insane claims eventually, by POC. Many Minority groups are against certain things like the gender ideology, so it would be interesting to see the party hit a brick wall, so to speak.
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Actually, this played out on a micro-level during the Democratic primaries, when black people just flat-out refused to vote for Pete Buttigieg, mirabile dictu, because he is gay and “married” to a man. That was just going too far for them to accept. (Able to accept abortion but not an openly gay man with a “husband”… hmmm…) This became most obvious in South Carolina, the first primary state with a large black Democratic electorate. Then House Democratic kingmaker Jim Clyburn endorsed Biden, and the rest is history.
 
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The role of the black church is huge in their culture. I don’t know how they rationalize not making abortion an issue in their politics
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The staunch Catholice here are not doing anything to make abortion illegal again. They’re just minding their own business and running pro life centres. So I think it’s possible for someone to be religious and not too focused on abortion, if they have more to agree with the pro choice party in the first place. It is not something I get either, tbh. All I can say is that I’m fairly confident that many would vote Republican if they packaged their conservative views into something that helps minorities, rather than just spouting off sentiments of freedom and growth. Republicans need to pander, although I think this is almost funny to think about right now with Trump.

Also, across the races, people are becoming less religious or rather relativistic about their views. I’m not too sure about the democraphics of this, but i would assume most people are becoming socially liberal in certain ways already, with regards to their views on pre marital sex and birth control. It could also be just me looking at my age group, as I’m more familiar with their trends than the older groups.
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black people just flat-out refused to vote for Pete Buttigieg, mirabile dictu , because he is gay and “married” to a man. That was just going too far for them to accept. (Able to accept abortion but not an openly gay man with a “husband”… hmmm…)
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This was also intriguing to me. I’m not sure if they would have been this hostile if they had no choice to vote for a gay person VS Trump. I have also seen many posts on social media about how Pete wasn’t good for the black community because of his record. But regardless, black people have brought up that their community is very homophobic. Not the SJW version of homophobic that applies to any belief that’s not unwavering support of the community, but homophobic in terms of violence and hatred. Can’t really speak much on that but I have seen hateful remarks on the lgbt community from people who have no problem with sex before marriage so I think that assessment is fairly accurate. Many people are against lgbt issues because of their disgust, not necessarily because of their religion.
 
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But regardless, black people have brought up that their community is very homophobic. Not the SJW version of homophobic that applies to any belief that’s not unwavering support of the community, but homophobic in terms of violence and hatred. Can’t really speak much on that but I have seen hateful remarks on the lgbt community from people who have no problem with sex before marriage so I think that assessment is fairly accurate. Many people are against lgbt issues because of their disgust, not necessarily because of their religion.
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I have never heard of black people being homophobic “in terms of violence and hatred”. As you point out, they find it disgusting, which is a sentiment entirely in accord with traditional Christianity.

I always step gingerly when opining that “black people do this” or “black people think that”. It would be helpful to have an African American to join in here, and explain at least the broad brushstrokes of their community’s view of homosexuality. It’s also worth noting that no racial or cultural demographic has “hive mind” and that they disagree among themselves on many points.
Lea101 said:
The staunch Catholics here are not doing anything to make abortion illegal again. They’re just minding their own business and running pro life centres. So I think it’s possible for someone to be religious and not too focused on abortion, if they have more to agree with the pro choice party in the first place. It is not something I get either, tbh. All I can say is that I’m fairly confident that many would vote Republican if they packaged their conservative views into something that helps minorities, rather than just spouting off sentiments of freedom and growth. Republicans need to pander, although I think this is almost funny to think about right now with Trump.
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I’m not clear whether you are in the United States or not. Are you?

If you are in one of the countries where the abortion issue is settled and no change is possible, that’s precisely what the pro-choice people would like to see the US become — we would have crisis pregnancy centers and moral/spiritual suasion, but that would be it. There is still a “hard core” of pro-life Americans who are working to save as many babies as possible through legal and juridical means. I’m one of them.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I have never heard of black people being homophobic “in terms of violence and hatred”. As you point out, they find it disgusting, which is a sentiment entirely in accord with traditional Christianity.
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Gay black people have brought up about how they have been kicked out/abused in their homes and it has been a topic of discussion for quite a very long time, mostly pertaining to gay men (not so much women). It is more closely tied to ideals of masculinity than religion.
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As you point out, they find it disgusting, which is a sentiment entirely in accord with traditional Christianity.
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My point is that many find these individuals disgusting, which is definitely not in accord with any legitimate form of Christianity. To be fair with them, I’m sure many white Christians, or of any race really, are disgusted with gay people too but use the Church’s stance as justification.

I’m pretty sure we both know people who are disgusted at lgbt individuals but have no problem having sex with their girlfriends, so I think this can be a universal issue that varies in strength.
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I always step gingerly when opining that “black people do this ” or “black people think that ”. It would be helpful to have an African American to join in here, and explain at least the broad brushstrokes of their community’s view of homosexuality. It’s also worth noting that no racial or cultural demographic has “hive mind” and that they disagree among themselves on many points.
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This is why I’ve said there has been discourse/black people have mentioned, because it’s a conversation amongst themselves instead for us to speak over them. It’s the same way how you or other people talk about them being religious or pro life etc. Obama has brought it up himself once, and a black conservative channel has talked about this before, if I recall correctly (Lucas), although he brought it up in glee rather than with a critical eye. The only observation I notice is that liberal people in non white cultures tend to still hold on traditional gender beliefs despite not being traditional or religious, which is the case with my culture. Machismo, for instance, has been associated with south american cultures as well.
 
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If you are in one of the countries where the abortion issue is settled and no change is possible, that’s precisely what the pro-choice people would like to see the US become — we would have crisis pregnancy centers and moral/spiritual suasion, but that would be it. There is still a “hard core” of pro-life Americans who are working to save as many babies as possible through legal and juridical means. I’m one of them
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Don’t really see the relevance of this point. I know there are hardcore pro lifers out there. My point is simply that it’s possible for religious people who are pro life, to not be a single issue voter/align themselves with a politician they disagree with on everything except abortion.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong (if anything, I understand hardcore pro lifers more logically), but that it’s possible for religious people to vote in their own interests and still be against it ‘‘personally’’.

I also think there’s some dissonance involved. It’s “easy” to not care about abortion if you’re not dealing with it, especially when the guilty politician seems to really care about your problems while the ‘other side’ is seen as racist.
 
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