Anti-Abortion Group Backs Fired Pregnant Teacher

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I’ve heard of Catholic schools having issues with poor examples of the Catholic faith (e.g. homosexuals talking about their behaviors in class, athiests teaching religion) but this seems like there must be more to the story?

What grade was she teaching and if it was young, how or why would any of the children know it was out of wedlock?

Are there other articles available for this story?

P.s. on another note: I agree that the discriminatory and unequal environment of our economy and social life does contribute to abortions. When will women demand that America changes to accept women and children, instead of women killing their children, changing their hormones and hurting their bodies to be like men?
 
the article says she was teaching preschool. i think they are right in saying she is not a proper role model to be teaching in a Catholic school. Unless she was raped, which i don’t think she was.
 
People who have issues with sexual morality have no place in or around a Catholic education establishment. The employment handbook was very clear: “must convey the teachings of the Catholic faith by his or her words and actions.” If you sin, you aren’t conveying the teachings of the Catholic faith and ought to be fired.
 
People who have issues with sexual morality have no place in or around a Catholic education establishment. The employment handbook was very clear: “must convey the teachings of the Catholic faith by his or her words and actions.” If you sin, you aren’t conveying the teachings of the Catholic faith and ought to be fired.
Thanks for typing all that, I didn’t feel like typing it all. But yea, that’s it. What’s worse is how those people pull the ‘sexist’ thing saying the rule can only be enforced on a woman. well, clearly. men don’t get pregnant. If a man did get pregnant, they should fire him as well, because he is probably really a she who got some kind of against-the-church surgery or something.
 
Hmm. I agree with the idea that people who teach at a Catholic school should be committed to Catholic moral standards.

Here is a question, though.

What if a person in this situation (man or woman, it takes two after all) repented? Shouldn’t that be taken into consideration?

I think that someone who fell and then repented, who understands the consequences and pain caused by sin, could have very powerful messages for students. One message is the cautionary one - a reality-based counter to the secular hedonism that gets pushed on them all the time. Another is forgiveness - that those who fall may repent and be forgiven and accepted.

However, if there is no repentance, then employing the person is not justified. The children do need a proper example.
 
Hmm. I agree with the idea that people who teach at a Catholic school should be committed to Catholic moral standards.

Here is a question, though.

What if a person in this situation (man or woman, it takes two after all) repented? Shouldn’t that be taken into consideration?

I think that someone who fell and then repented, who understands the consequences and pain caused by sin, could have very powerful messages for students. One message is the cautionary one - a reality-based counter to the secular hedonism that gets pushed on them all the time. Another is forgiveness - that those who fall may repent and be forgiven and accepted.

However, if there is no repentance, then employing the person is not justified. The children do need a proper example.
That is a good point. But i still don’t think it would be appropriate for an unmarried and expecting individual to be heading a classroom. especially with such young children. it’s too much to explain all that to pre-schoolers who might ask (because they will notice) about her baby.
 
That is a good point. But i still don’t think it would be appropriate for an unmarried and expecting individual to be heading a classroom. especially with such young children. it’s too much to explain all that to pre-schoolers who might ask (because they will notice) about her baby.
Yes, I had thought of that. Perhaps it does not need to be addressed with ones so young?

After all - what does a woman teacher do if her husband has run off with another woman while she is pregnant? Or if her husband divorces her? Or if she were raped? There are other circumstances in which a woman might be alone and pregnant.
 
Thanks for typing all that, I didn’t feel like typing it all. But yea, that’s it. What’s worse is how those people pull the ‘sexist’ thing saying the rule can only be enforced on a woman. well, clearly. men don’t get pregnant. If a man did get pregnant, they should fire him as well, because he is probably really a she who got some kind of against-the-church surgery or something.
I don’t see what it is that is sexist about this at all. If a person commits adultery, masturbates, has purchased pornography or happens to have same-sex attractions, the verdict is the same. Fire them, expel them, get rid of them. None of these issues is constricted by gender. The thing is that Catholic education is becoming a morass of relativism. The formation of those who seek an education from the faith is of utmost importance and neither students nor the rest of the faculty should be exposed to someone who has sinned. The schools need to be purged just like the seminaries have been.
 
abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1641467&page=1

I think its ridiculous for “Feminists for Life” to say that by firing this woman it drives her to have an abortion.
I read about this case awhile ago and it completely soured me on the group “Feminists for Life.” I was not overly fond of them before this, but now their opinions and positions hold no interest for me.

To the poster who commented on repentence: clearly the woman in question is not repentent. If you read her comments, and the comments made by Serrin Foster
"The appropriate response for the employer when they found out she was pregnant, is to say, ‘Congratulations,’ and, ‘How can I help?’ "
it is obvious they don’t understand Catholic morality and how it is applied in the school systems. In addition, the fact that they are proceeding with a bogus law suit, deflecting attention from the real issue, speaks for itself.
 
I don’t see what it is that is sexist about this at all. If a person commits adultery, masturbates, has purchased pornography or happens to have same-sex attractions, the verdict is the same. Fire them, expel them, get rid of them. None of these issues is constricted by gender. The thing is that Catholic education is becoming a morass of relativism. The formation of those who seek an education from the faith is of utmost importance and neither students nor the rest of the faculty should be exposed to someone who has sinned. The schools need to be purged just like the seminaries have been.
So then you recommend closing all Catholic schools?

Your statement would leave no alternative.
 
To the poster who commented on repentence: clearly the woman in question is not repentent. If you read her comments, and the comments made by Serrin Foster

it is obvious they don’t understand Catholic morality and how it is applied in the school systems. In addition, the fact that they are proceeding with a bogus law suit, deflecting attention from the real issue, speaks for itself.
Yeah, I was not commenting on this specific case so much as the whole question of these kind of situations.

If she’s not repentant, then she definitely does not belong teaching there.
 
So then you recommend closing all Catholic schools?

Your statement would leave no alternative.
Sinners have no place in the Church or in its educational establishments. Sometimes the love of Christ demands we show people to the street. This is a spiritual work of mercy.
 
Sinners have no place in the Church or in its educational establishments. Sometimes the love of Christ demands we show people to the street. This is a spiritual work of mercy.
You do not believe that all people sin?

Do you invent your theology as you go???
How can you ever justify such thinking?
 
It clearly isn’t possible to know how sins, how much, what the sins were, etc. and repentent sinners shouldn’t be persecuted. but in this case, or any case like this, should her employer at the school asked her if she was repentent and had confessed? and if she was and had, should she still be in the classroom? As was pointed out, the school gave clear guidelines for it’s faculty and staff. She knew what she was doing. period.
 
I think the school was 100% within their rights and responsibilities in firing her. Do I think she provided a scandal to preschoolers? Probably not. But I’m sure there were plenty of older children at the school, and there is a good chance word would have gotten out that there was an unmarried pregnant teacher at the Catholic school. The school would then have to deal with parents who didn’t want their children exposed to scandal, as well as having the awkward position of having to explain sexual morality to grade-school kids.

Why does nobody want to take responsibility for their actions anymore? This woman is acting like an overgrown baby. She knew the school’s policy, she claims to be Catholic, she disobeyed God’s law, she remains unmarried … and who’s the bad guy here? Of course! It’s the dogma-conscious Catholic school!

I am so tired of seeing people make scapegoats out of others. She screwed up, and she knew the penalties when she did it. There is absolutely no way the school is at fault for that. And to say that this leaves her no choice but abortion is a horribly fallacy. I personally credit Satan with this piece of work.
 
I seem to recall the words of Jesus, " let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Firing this woman tells me that the school has no concept of the gospel message, according to Jesus Christ.

The Church would probably be better served, if this school closed down. They present a poor example of how to be forgiving and compassionate.

Jim
 
Sinners have no place in the Church or in its educational establishments.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read here in a long time. This is surprising, even coming from you.

Do you think that the Church and its educational establishments should be empty? Last I checked, we’re all sinners. I’m surprised a person who describes himself as a “Lapsed Catholic” like you do has such a strong desire to get rid of all sinners.
 
I seem to recall the words of Jesus, " let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Firing this woman tells me that the school has no concept of the gospel message, according to Jesus Christ.

The Church would probably be better served, if this school closed down. They present a poor example of how to be forgiving and compassionate.

Jim
Jim,

This is a common mistake that is made regarding compassion and forgiveness. What you have done is take the situation entirely out of context. The fact is that the diocese, the school, and the parents who are paying for the education of their young and impressionable children have a direct responsibility to those children. The protection of those children has to come first and foremost, especially the protection of their faith and morals. That is why their parents chose to do the inconvenient thing: to spend their hard-earned money and place their children in a school that teaches from the perspective of the Bible and the Faith. They expect a higher standard of morality, and they are absolutely right to do so.

What the school did was exactly what they had to do: they protected the children from the scandal of sexual immorality. I’m sure they were compassionate in their attitudes regarding the teacher’s position, and I’m sure they commended her for her decision not to kill her unborn child, but they also had a duty to the students, and the only way to fulfill that duty was to remove the teacher from the school before she could scandalize the children.

Let us Catholics not forget that while Our Lord is gracious and merciful to forgive our sins, we are not exempt from the temporal consequences we incur when we choose to break God’s law. It is one thing to forgive a woman for her sin; it is another to take it upon ourselves to remove all the consequence thereof. Removing consequences is what the abortionists are trying to do; let us not be like them. The natural consequence – as this woman well knew – was that she would lose her position if she became pregnant. She made her choice, and she must now suffer the consequence. ** We must not confuse forgiveness with the erasure of consequence!**
 
In the state of NY (where this woman worked), you can be fired from a job for ANY reason (or no cause at all, even). Therefore, the school absolutely had the right to fire her.

But as far as ‘being fired for being a sinner’ … not so much. There are plenty of other sins out there which do not announce themselves with morning sickness and bulging bellies. Many more sins can be hidden from most people (how many contracepting co-workers did she have? Would anyone know, short of catching them in the act of purchase?)

I otherwise completely agree w/ surf(name removed by moderator)ure’s post above.
 
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