Anti-Abortion Group Backs Fired Pregnant Teacher

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surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Just a consideration (not saying I disagree), but Catholic schools usually have very tight budgets, and I doubt they could justify giving this woman a paid sabbatical while also having to hire another teacher.

Also, as far as the situations with priests go, I understand that it is not uncommon for a parish priest who is struggling with a serious problem of sin to be moved out of the parish life altogether and placed into a different venue, where he can continue to receive help in overcoming his sin, but where there is no risk of scandalizing the laity.
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I hadn’t thought of the budgeting issue! :o Thats a good point.

I appreciate your post–makes a lot of sense!
 
Thanks to Catharina again, and to RWMorris, for searching and posting the rest of the story. It becomes clear that this woman must have already been pregnant out of wedlock when signing her contract, and in doing so she signed in bad faith. Any sympathy I held for her before has just flown out the window.

A conscientious person would, knowing they had made the mistake of getting pregnant, not compound that mistake by trying to pull one over on the trusting organization that hired her. Upon learning the terms of the contract and the code of teacher conduct, she should have excused herself from the process and begun looking for employment elsewhere.
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Thanks to Catharina again, and to RWMorris, for searching and posting the rest of the story. It becomes clear that this woman must have already been pregnant out of wedlock when signing her contract, and in doing so she signed in bad faith. Any sympathy I held for her before has just flown out the window.

Ah! Well, then I guess everything I posted here was an effort in futility…ha:p
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surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Thanks to Catharina again, and to RWMorris, for searching and posting the rest of the story. It becomes clear that this woman must have already been pregnant out of wedlock when signing her contract, and in doing so she signed in bad faith. Any sympathy I held for her before has just flown out the window.

A conscientious person would, knowing they had made the mistake of getting pregnant, not compound that mistake by trying to pull one over on the trusting organization that hired her. Upon learning the terms of the contract and the code of teacher conduct, she should have excused herself from the process and begun looking for employment elsewhere.
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You’re welcome. This story bothered me a lot.

First, the teacher’s demands although SHE violated the contract.

Second, that Feminists for Life took up her case. WHY this case???
 
whatevergirl said:
Ah! Well, then I guess everything I posted here was an effort in futility…ha:p
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Not at all! If nothing else, the discussion has gotten all of us to think about compassion, forgiveness, ethics, consequences, and the protection of children from scandal. I’m sure this won’t be the last such case to cross news headlines, and the next time a similar one appears, I, for one, will have a much better concept for the subject than I did heretofore. 👍
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Not at all! If nothing else, the discussion has gotten all of us to think about compassion, forgiveness, ethics, consequences, and the protection of children from scandal. I’m sure this won’t be the last such case to cross news headlines, and the next time a similar one appears, I, for one, will have a much better concept for the subject than I did heretofore. 👍
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I like your optimism! Yes–that’s true. I learned a lot, that I didn’t know before this thread began. 🙂
 
RWMorris said:
Your are welcome.

No, you like most people always want to think the best of people. It is a good quality, unlike this teacher, who apparently has not so good motivations.
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Yes, I suppose so. I think that perhaps she didn’t have bad motivations, as really what happened was a disclosure issue–she made a bad choice, ultimately. Interesting thread!!
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Not at all! If nothing else, the discussion has gotten all of us to think about compassion, forgiveness, ethics, consequences, and the protection of children from scandal. I’m sure this won’t be the last such case to cross news headlines, and the next time a similar one appears, I, for one, will have a much better concept for the subject than I did heretofore. 👍
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What you said? Ditto. Me too.

I’m almost knee-jerk in support of women in unexpected pregnancies. In fact, I think that’s probably what got FFL into the painted-in corner: knee-jerk responses. However, the fact that this is an educated, adult woman who entered into a contract in bad faith - well, she has a lot of problems but it’s hard to see that the employer, a a Catholic school, bears any blame for that.
 
Other_Eric said:
We neither need to bug the confessionals nor the bedrooms in order to advance our interests in clearing the schools of sinners. All we need are faculty and students who are alert to what is going on around them.
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Clearing schools of sinners? Well, hand out pink slips to all employed in them, because they like us, are all sinners!

Jim
 
BamaRider said:
What was that line in the Star Trek Movie? (I think it was II?)

“Sometimes the needs of the many, (the school, students) out weigh the needs of the few” (teacher).
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I believe Vladimir Ilich Lenin said the same thing.

Jim
 
childofmary1143 said:
Technically being pregnant when not married IS A SIN. Perhaps you heard of “Thou shalt not committ adultery” and before you say “rape” that doesn’t apply to THIS situation because she wasn’t raped. Pre marital sex is a sin. Since she wasn’t married and is pregnant (only Our Lady was virgin and Mother) then she had sex.
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Look up the definition of adultery, then get back to us.

She didn’t commit adultery.

Jim
 
catharina said:
Very briefly, here is one quote from the diocese:

“The school requires its teachers to convey the faith, to convey the gospel values and Christian traditions of the Catholic faith,” Frank DeRosa, a spokesman for the Diocese of Brooklyn, told ABC News."
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Gospel values. Where in the gospel, does it support the harsh judgment laid upon this woman?

Jim
 
Had the school acted in compassionate accord of the gospel, instead of operating out of a sanctimonious mindset, we would not have heard about this case.

Pro-Abortion and anti-Catholic groups., would not be rallying behind support of this woman.

This thread would not exist.

Instead, had her employers acted in a compassionate framework, she would’ve finished the year teaching, and then during the summer, she would’ve had her baby. Her co-workers and managers could’ve provided assistance to her, in helping here to have the baby and if she desired, she could’ve returned to work in the fall, and no child would’ve known anything about the situation at hand. Compassion would’ve helped this woman, and would’ve taught the children of the school, how much better it is to be compassionate, rather than what they’re being taught now.

In other words, compassion would’ve worked, where ridged enforcement of a rule, which is contrary to the gospel, has turned this thing into a scandal, where not only the woman is going to suffer, but the Catholic Church as well.

You can’t beat following the truths of the Gospel, given to us by Jesus Christ.

Jim
 
There seem to be some extreme ideas expressed here on both sides of this issue.

The way I see it is as a balancing act, with consideration being given to the terms of the contract and the effects of this pregnancy on the students on the one hand, and to the teacher and unborn child on the other. Certainly not an easy decision and I doubt it was arrived at lightly.

We are called by God to care for our children, physically, emotionally and spiritually, and are called to have compassion for the sinner at the same time. Where the two come into conflict, as in this case, a judgment call has to be made. No, the board was not necessarily being sanctimonious when it made its decision, but calling them (and other posters on this board) sanctimonious certainly was. The lack of Christian charity being complained about is visibly lacking in the complainer’s own posts.

A leave of absence would have still left the problem of the teacher not being able to support herself through the remainder of her pregnancy, and allowing her to work the remainder of the school year would have certainly made the little people aware of her condition.

This is a situation in which the school board had no good options and I’m thankful that I didn’t have to be involved in making the decision. However, to latch onto one Biblical teaching to the exclusion of all others seems about as narrow as the notion that you can reach heaven by simply saying that you believe. I would guess that the school board took all these things into consideration before making their decision, knowing they would be open to criticism no matter what they did, but eventually opted in favor of their perceived best interest of the students. I hardly think that justifies a comparison to Lenin.

End of rant.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Had the school acted in compassionate accord of the gospel, instead of operating out of a sanctimonious mindset, we would not have heard about this case.

Pro-Abortion and anti-Catholic groups., would not be rallying behind support of this woman.

This thread would not exist.

Instead, had her employers acted in a compassionate framework, she would’ve finished the year teaching, and then during the summer, she would’ve had her baby. Her co-workers and managers could’ve provided assistance to her, in helping here to have the baby and if she desired, she could’ve returned to work in the fall, and no child would’ve known anything about the situation at hand. Compassion would’ve helped this woman, and would’ve taught the children of the school, how much better it is to be compassionate, rather than what they’re being taught now.

In other words, compassion would’ve worked, where ridged enforcement of a rule, which is contrary to the gospel, has turned this thing into a scandal, where not only the woman is going to suffer, but the Catholic Church as well.

You can’t beat following the truths of the Gospel, given to us by Jesus Christ.

Jim
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Gospel values? Gospel truths?

The truth and value is to stand with the truth. She broke her contract with her employer. She arrived at a new position already four months pegnant. She would have delivered her baby in March, not in the convenient summer you imagine. The preschoolers would have been given another brand-new teacher in the Spring to help them finish out their school year. That calls for a very big change in the lives of very young children. It wasn’t a needed change since her word was not her bond. Why keep her on?

As to the public note of scandal, she generated it, not the school.
 
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