Anti-abortion protest signs - how far is too far?

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Monica02:
The graphic signs are the most effective means of educating people on the truth of abortion. I have participated in countless demonstrations with these images. The very fact that people react in the extreme is an indication that the signs are very effective. My experience has been that children do not get upset, but are very curious. More often than not very young children do not even notice the signs. The older kids ask lots of questions. We are planning to start a campaign to hold signs outside of high and juiniour high schools.
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I heard on Fr Pavone’s program that they have found their signs very effective. I thought the new campaign was called “face the truth” or something like that. I understand it even worked in New York City. I went to the PFL website where they do reference the CBE (Center for BioEthical Reform). I support that organization because the photos are very effective and educational.

I think you make a good point in WHERE to use the signs. They do stimulate discussion and questions.
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Monica02:
I do not hold graphic images outside of the clinics because I have heard that they are not effective in stopping ladies or girls from going in. At that point they are more concerned with themselves, so offering any assistence to them seems to be the most logical thing to do.
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I think this is an excellent point. The signs can change hearts and minds that have not already focused on a particular action. Once women start heading for the clinic, it’s time to redirect their focus on alternatives to abortion. Many women are totally unaware that there IS help if they want to carry their baby to term. Sadly the MSM characterizes the prolife movement as a bunch of nosy rosies who just want to STOP abortion but do not want to take responsibility for the woman or baby. That is absolutely NOT TRUE and I wish we could get this message out.

I read in a supposedly CHRISTIAN magazine that prolife activists are just trying to force their beliefs upon others and do not care about the women. That attitude is common but infuriating.

Lisa N
 
Some of the girls cannot be convinced, and some of them have families that will not be okay in any way and they really don’t want to be there. I think that praying for depression not to hit those girls too hard is one of the best things.
I just wish I could give them a big hug, I know that they will need it. I know that most people will desert them or treat them like they are evil, or tell them not to worry they did the right thing.

I really hope that some girls have their minds changed, but I also know that a lot of girls just see it as nothing.
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Tom444:
Yesterday, some friends and I drove past a pro-life protest on Forbes Avenue by Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh. Normally, I agree with such protests, but in this case, most of the protesters were holding huge (3 to 4 feet high) full-color photographs of aborted fetuses.
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The protesters, perhaps 20 or so, were out yesterday afternoon near my street, on Ardmore Boulevard here in the Pittsburgh area also. The posters that were being held were truly horrific…but true. The truth does need to be made known.

It’s amazing how our society can “sanitize” things in order to make things OK. One never hears about a pre-born baby anymore on the radio, TV, or in the newspaper…it is always a fetus. Makes it sound like some sort of “bug” that needs to be destroyed, an illness of some sort.

Change a word so that one does not feel the guilt.
 
It is sick and very irresponsible of these protestors to show these graphic images on public street corners for several reasons.

I am the mother of a premature baby who died last year. The pain of losing a child is the worst anyone can experience, and we struggle every day as we miss our sweet little boy. For these protestors to use images of dead and mutilated babies for their political goals is sick and wrong. These babies are tiny and very pink, just like my son was, but they are badly burned, mutilated or just dead. I have Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as do many other mothers whose babies have died - and there are many of us out there in the world. These protestors are not at all concerned about the psychological harm they are causing grieving parents. They need to be more responsible and aware of who they are causing more pain.

These protestors strategically place themselves in front of the line of traffic so you cannot avoid their signs and still yield to oncoming traffic while driving your car.

Little children ride in the car with their parents to get from place to place. Why should they be assaulted with these images? It is not fair to burden anyone, but especially small children with these horrific photos.

As a mother of a premature baby who died, I can tell you that the images I have been forced to see are of babies at or beyond 6 months of gestation. It is illegal to terminate pregnancies at this point and beyond. So, this is pure propaganda, and they are using these images dishonestly for their perceived gain simply because they are more disturbing - as the babies are more developed than those whose lives would be terminated through abortion.

Also, even if it was only affecting women who have had abortions (which is is NOT), Is this the way Christians minister to women who have terminated pregnancies? Maybe it is time for them to ask themselves “What would Jesus do?” If they look in their hearts, I am sure they would find an answer that does not involve harming anyone psychologically - possibly to the point of having nightmares or contemplating suicide - regardless of who they are or what they have done. I think Jesus would offer them love and forgiveness. Let’s start acting like the Christians we should be and stop acting so violent and hateful.

Also, through grief groups, I have met some mothers who terminated pregnancies because their lives were in jeopardy or their babies were dying inside of their bodies and they could not bear to continue their pregnancies while their children suffered quietly in their wombs. Should these women be harmed as well? Haven’t they suffered enough?

There are less cruel, harmful ways of fighting for something you believe in - and you have a responsibility to your fellow man and Christianity to do things morally and responsibly - especially if you are doing it in the name of Life and of God.
 
In all fairness cfull89, you are really thinking of your own pain and not considering the kind of carnage the abortion lobby has created in this society. They have hidden the reality of abortion in order to justify a violent and hateful and evil act. You call showing the signs violent and hateful. Isn’t killing babies MORE violent and MORE hateful than showing the public the reality of abortion?

Yes you have gone through great pain. No one would deny that. But what about the MILLIONS of babies torn apart physically, painfully and fatally? Isn’t that pain worth considering too? You are equating what MIGHT happen to a few people like yourself to what DOES happen, the killing of millions of babies. These are not equivalent. Right now your pain is raw. But are you willing to potentially suffer some mental anguish to save a baby? If these images work, and I think they do, why not consider your suffering is for the life of a baby?

You are wrong in saying that abortions after 6 months are illegal. THey are not. Women have had abortions literally up to the term date of their pregnancies. You should look into “Tiller the Killer” a specialist in late stage abortions. There are thousands of these abortions every year. Ironically I found out that a woman I work with has a sister who’s had two extremely late (post 6 month) abortions due to a genetic birth defect. The defect does not show up until very late in the pregnancy and this woman has chosen to become pregnant over and over and kill those babies that have the defect. Further a person doesn’t have to show a terrible genetic defect to obtain these abortions, mental stress is enough of a reason.

I also think you are mistaken as to the focus of the signs. They are not to ‘minister’ to women who’ve had abortions but to educate the public on the reality of abortion. The abortion lobby has succeeded because they’ve been able to hide the grisly results of this practice. Seeing the reality, that you are killing a human being, does change hearts and minds. People have been fed a line of baloney that the preborn child is a ‘blob’ of tissue and that you can’t distinguish a human from a fish until birth. These images demonstrate the innate humanity from literally the first days after conception. Ask any woman who’s had an ultrasound. Does she think the image is a person or a puppy?

I’m trying very hard not to sound harsh but I think you are mistaken in believing that your experience should prevent any use of graphci images. If it saves even one baby are you willing to see a fleeting glimpse of such an image or not? Are you simply willing to avert your eyes if you find these images distressing if it will save one baby? Please think about it.

Lisa N
 
A case for the use of graphic pictures
illinoisleader.com/columnists/columnistsview.asp?c=1222

Pictures of Emmett Till Run in Jet Magazine
panopt.com/photogra/withers/fulewtill05.html
A case for the use of graphic pictures

Wednesday, July 03, 2002

By Jill Stanek (Jill@illinoisleader.com)

illinoisleader.com/content/img/f1222/SZ200_Jillsign.jpgJill Stanek held the “Baby Malachi” sign in front of Speaker Madigan and Leader Daniels’ offices this springEmmett Till was a 14-year-old black kid from Chicago. In the summer of 1955, Emmett convinced his mom to let him visit relatives in Mississippi.

Although Mrs. Till put Emmett on the train with a warning that things were different for blacks in the South, he had no idea just how different things were until he was beaten and murdered.

His crime? Whistling at and talking to a white girl.

On August 24, while hanging out with his cousins, Emmett was caught in a dare. He had told the other youngsters a white teenager in a picture he carried was his girlfriend back in Chicago. They dared him to go into a small grocery store in Money, Mississippi, owned by the Bryant family and say hello to the white woman working there. Emmett went in, bought some gum with a couple of pennies, and then said, “Bye, Baby” to Carolyn Bryant, the storeowner’s wife.(source: www.bluejeansplace.com/EmmettTillMurderSite.html))

This juvenile prank led to a nightmare come to life. Three days later, two of Bryant’s relatives pulled Emmett from his uncle’s home, stripped him naked, beat him beyond recognition, shot him in the head, and dumped his body into the Tallahatchie River.
 
Joe Scheidler Quote of the Day #1…
illinoisleader.com/quote/quoteview.asp?c=8541

Joe Scheidler/Pro-Life Action League hotline

Saturday, September 20, 2003

Joe Scheidler, President of Pro-Life Action League, relays his experience in downtown Chicago this week during a PLAL “Truth Tour,” when pictures of aborted babies are shown to passersby:

*I encountered very little opposition this time except for some snide remarks. In fact, a number of people thanked me for being there, and I was questioned by one young lady to whom I pointed out that all our sign said was “abortion,” and had a picture of an aborted baby. It doesn’t even say we’re for or against abortion.

I said, “What if I were holding a sign that said ‘McDonalds*,’ and had a picture of a hamburger. Viewers would assume that I was pro-hamburger, not against hamburgers. But when I hold a picture of an aborted baby they immediately assume I am against abortion. Why? Because everyone knows instinctively that abortion is wrong and that when you hold a picture of an aborted baby you are not supporting abortion, but you are opposing it.”

She mused over that analogy for a few seconds and said, “That make sense. Now I have to get to work. I work at McDonalds.”
 
Joe Scheidler Quote of the Day #2…
illinoisleader.com/quote/quoteview.asp?c=9516

Joe Scheidler on Chicago Tribune anti-life headline

Saturday, November 01, 2003

It’s time we won this war of words. They don’t call the Republicans the Elephant Snout party, nor the Democrats the Donkey Ears party. They don’t call the National Organization for Women the National Organization for Witches. But they play games with our official names and we’re tired of it. While we are anti-satanic choice, we like pro-life.

~ Joe Scheidler, National Director of Pro-Life Action League, in his October 29 Action News Hotline regarding a headline in that day’s Chicago Tribune’s WomanNews section that read, “Anti-Choice Groups Celebrate Victories” on the passage of the partial birth abortion ban.
 
Lisa N:
I also think you are mistaken as to the focus of the signs. They are not to ‘minister’ to women who’ve had abortions but to educate the public on the reality of abortion. The abortion lobby has succeeded because they’ve been able to hide the grisly results of this practice. Seeing the reality, that you are killing a human being, does change hearts and minds. People have been fed a line of baloney that the preborn child is a ‘blob’ of tissue and that you can’t distinguish a human from a fish until birth. These images demonstrate the innate humanity from literally the first days after conception. Ask any woman who’s had an ultrasound. Does she think the image is a person or a puppy?

I’m trying very hard not to sound harsh but I think you are mistaken in believing that your experience should prevent any use of graphci images. If it saves even one baby are you willing to see a fleeting glimpse of such an image or not? Are you simply willing to avert your eyes if you find these images distressing if it will save one baby? Please think about it.

Lisa N
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The other thing which needs to be considered is that if these signs are effective in helping society to change it’s libertine attitude about abortion, then perhaps not so many women will have to go through the suffering of losing a child to abortion.
 
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chicago:
The other thing which needs to be considered is that if these signs are effective in helping society to change it’s libertine attitude about abortion, then perhaps not so many women will have to go through the suffering of losing a child to abortion.
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Although it’s a cliche, I believe that people don’t KNOW what abortion really is and thus they have visions of the removal of some kind of amorphous mass with no human characteristics. That the unborn child experiences pain and suffering is something the abortion lobby has wanted to keep under wraps—witness their opposition to the recent legislation.

We must humanize these babies for the public to understand they were wonderful human beings, fearfully and wonderfully made. Even very liberal folks don’t want to see anyone tortured. By believing that the unborn child is not a real person, they can assuage their guilt in supporting this wholesale slaughter
Lisa N
 
Using visual imagery is the way to go. I have two small children and so I can relate to what many are saying about their children being exposed.

However, I think we need to look at it this way: I would rather have to explain to my children what the picture is…and you do not need to go into much detail w/ children, you have use prudential judgement as parents, rather than to allow the massive cover-up of this genocide to continue.

Pictures have been used many times in the past by the media to show the horror of certain events. The holocaust, for example, was something too horrible for many back here in the states to wrap their mind around. Pictures displayed by Time Magazine and others were beneficial in exposing that reality. Also, this was true of the Civil Rights Movement in the '60’s.

We live in a visual society. That’s a fact. Most people in this culture are more likely to remember the truth of a picture, rather than a 1000 word essay.

This statement by Gregg Cunningham of CBR sums it up:

"Injustice that is invisibile inevitably becomes tolerable.
Injustice that is visibile inevitably becomes intolerable."
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
As graphic as it is ,it is the truth:nope: The reason so many accept abortion is because the propaganda is lies,like it is a blob of tissue:mad: That is why the pro-aborts will not allow abortions to be shown on the MSM,notice everything else is.
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I am Pro-Life. I’m on a board for two life care centers, I’m an e-mail activist and strongly believe in prayer to change non believers hearts.

I do not agree with using graphic pictures. Jesus told us to love one another (not the sin). WIth that in mind, pictures of actual babies in the womb serve the purpose in the same way but with out wielding a club of hate. Those pictures are so hateful and turn many off and away from our cause.

Please pray. Daily pray the Rosary. Fast. While we are so limitied in what we can do ourselves, God can do anything and everything.

God Bless,
Donna:gopray2: :gopray: :angel1: :gopray: :angel1: :gopray2:
 
Donna P:
I am Pro-Life. I’m on a board for two life care centers, I’m an e-mail activist and strongly believe in prayer to change non believers hearts.

I do not agree with using graphic pictures. Jesus told us to love one another (not the sin). WIth that in mind, pictures of actual babies in the womb serve the purpose in the same way but with out wielding a club of hate. Those pictures are so hateful and turn many off and away from our cause.

Please pray. Daily pray the Rosary. Fast. While we are so limitied in what we can do ourselves, God can do anything and everything.

God Bless,
Donna:gopray2: :gopray: :angel1: :gopray: :angel1: :gopray2:
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Those pictures are simply showing unto others the unsanitized reality of abortion, an effective technique to break through the individual and collective psychological defense mechanism of DENIAL that the pro-abort forces seek to perpetuate for keeping abortion “safe and legal”.

You seem to have confused the abuser with the protector of the unborn, i.e., those “hateful” pictures of our deceased brothers and sisters and are the production of the abortion mill industry.

I understand that the horror and utter violence of abortion is difficult for many to keep in their consciousness, but that is a component of the reality of the bloody spiritual battle that we are engaged in. Yes, keep the prayers and rosary prayers coming.
 
The images are horrifying, as they should be. However, we need to use both facts and imagery–both pictures of live babies in the womb as well as those killed through abortion.

Using facts is necessary because it does change the MINDS of people, but we can’t stop there. Pictures change the HEARTS of people. They go hand in hand. We need to provide both.
 
The site abort73.com has some excellent information. This page addresses the concerns about graphic images:

abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4f-jesus.html

I recommend looking through this site. There are some pretty graphic videos and photos. I wish every woman who was considering abortion would watch the four minute video that has a number of abortion ‘results’ The incredible perfection of the tiny hands and feet (all first trimester) will break your heart.

This information needs to be broadcast publically. People do NOT know what they are doing.

Lisa N
 
Donna P:
I am Pro-Life. I’m on a board for two life care centers, I’m an e-mail activist and strongly believe in prayer to change non believers hearts.

I do not agree with using graphic pictures. Jesus told us to love one another (not the sin). WIth that in mind, pictures of actual babies in the womb serve the purpose in the same way but with out wielding a club of hate. Those pictures are so hateful and turn many off and away from our cause.

Please pray. Daily pray the Rosary. Fast. While we are so limitied in what we can do ourselves, God can do anything and everything.

God Bless,
Donna:gopray2: :gopray: :angel1: :gopray: :angel1: :gopray2:
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Donna:

I remember the TV imagery of Sheriff Bull Conner’s dogs, fire houses and officers with “billy clubs” attacking the old people and the children who were marching, PEACEFULLY AND UNARMED, with Dr. King into Selma, Alabama.

I remember throwing up and wanting to look away, but making myself look at the horrifying evil playing out on my TV set.

I’ve done the same thing with the film and videos of the Holocaust, while other people have left the room. I’ve never called any mainstream American politicain, DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN, a “NAZI”, BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE HANDIWORK OF THE REAL THING.

Donna, the Abortion Pictures are like the videos of Bull Conner’s dogs attacking the children, or the fillms of the NAZI DEATH CAMPS. They aren’t pleasant, but they aren’t supposed to be. They’re supposed to force us to come face to face with the HORRIBLE EVIL that Abortion is and to tear away that DENIAL that those who are PRO-DEATH have gained through the abuse of the language (“Pro-Choice” for what? To buy a hamburger? Whether to have a salad or fries with the burger?)

Donna, as long as ROE V. WADE is the LAW OF THE LAND, and as Long as there is a CONSPIRACY OF SILANCE in the MSM and among Politicians as to what Abortions is, we’ll have to show the PICTURES in order to break through the DENIAL!

If you don’t want to deal with ROE V. WADE as the LAW OF THE LAND any omre, go to this THREAD, End Pro-Abortion Litmus Test :
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=50594

Use the Information contained in these POSTS #10, #20, #35 & #40:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=603302&postcount=10

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=613154&postcount=20

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=629278&postcount=35

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=632350&postcount=40

That should get you started on this little insurgency. FYI, the Democrats are blocking these NOMINESS because hey are PRO-LIFE and would vote to OVERTURN ROE V. WADE!

These people need our support.

Thank you and goodnight.

May God bless those who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
 
I think it is unfortunate, but we are in a war zone in this country. The horrible pictures which tell the truth about abortion also save many, many lives and turn many, many hearts away from abortion. During wars, many children are harmed by the images coming from that war. We may think we can shield our children from the images, but we can’t shield them from the moral, emotional and physical devastation that is being waged in our nation against vulnerable, defenseless children. Sure, the pictures are hurtful. But let’s not blame the messenger. Let’s stop the crime!
 
Traditional Ang:
Donna:

I remember the TV imagery of Sheriff Bull Conner’s dogs, fire houses and officers with “billy clubs” attacking the old people and the children who were marching, PEACEFULLY AND UNARMED, with Dr. King into Selma, Alabama.

I remember throwing up and wanting to look away, but making myself look at the horrifying evil playing out on my TV set.

I’ve done the same thing with the film and videos of the Holocaust, while other people have left the room. I’ve never called any mainstream American politicain, DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN, a “NAZI”, BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE HANDIWORK OF THE REAL THING.

Donna, the Abortion Pictures are like the videos of Bull Conner’s dogs attacking the children, or the fillms of the NAZI DEATH CAMPS. They aren’t pleasant, but they aren’t supposed to be. They’re supposed to force us to come face to face with the HORRIBLE EVIL that Abortion is and to tear away that DENIAL that those who are PRO-DEATH have gained through the abuse of the language (“Pro-Choice” for what? To buy a hamburger? Whether to have a salad or fries with the burger?)

Donna, as long as ROE V. WADE is the LAW OF THE LAND, and as Long as there is a CONSPIRACY OF SILANCE in the MSM and among Politicians as to what Abortions is, we’ll have to show the PICTURES in order to break through the DENIAL!

If you don’t want to deal with ROE V. WADE as the LAW OF THE LAND any omre, go to this THREAD, End Pro-Abortion Litmus Test :
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=50594

Use the Information contained in these POSTS #10, #20, #35 & #40:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=603302&postcount=10

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=613154&postcount=20

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=629278&postcount=35

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=632350&postcount=40

That should get you started on this little insurgency. FYI, the Democrats are blocking these NOMINESS because hey are PRO-LIFE and would vote to OVERTURN ROE V. WADE!

These people need our support.

Thank you and goodnight.

May God bless those who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
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Pictures are worth a thousand words. These pictures of aborted babies are heart wrenching, they are horrifying, but they are the truth. How many people denounced the TV imagery of the marchers at Selma? How many people denounced Schindler’s List or Hotel Rwanda? Or other images of the results of the Holocaust and other instances of genocide? Not too many, I’ll bet. The only ones served by the truth being covered up are the ones perpetuating the slaughter. These are people, whether they are unborn babies, Jews, blacks, Hutus, Tutsis, whites, Indians, Oriental, etc. Covering up the reality does nothing except allow the nightmare of slaughter to go on. And as hard as it is for me to see, it is nothing compared to the suffering that these people go through.
 
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