Anti-abortion protest signs - how far is too far?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Tom444
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
40.png
tamccrackine:
I believe many people ought to read Norma McCorvey’s book “Won by Love”… she’s the Jane Roe of Roe v Wade. You want to see lies and deceit?? That has it all…

I personally think that graphic posters are acceptable. You can’t shield your child from everything and there is a way to explain it in a manner that a child can grasp. I fully believe they see worse on TV during either news or just in general. Look at where Sesame Street has gone. How about those pictures on People magazine and others that have women scantily clad and the magazine is in the magazine rack right there by the candy? What about the couples snuggling and hanging all over each other, wearing hardly anything, and not married on those same magazines? People get too politically correct with the truth. Why do we have to be nice to others views from fear of hurting their feelings when it’s obvious they aren’t even remotely close to knowing the truth? And I’m sickened that pregnancy is a choice. :mad: That choice should have been made before engaging in sex. Two things come from getting pregnant… a baby that brings joy (and yes, growing pains)… or an abortion… that brings NOTHING but a lifetime of heartache, pain, suffering. And that’s a proven fact. Not just a pro-lifers opinion. :banghead:

I’m sorry to sound so strongly, but I’ve lived the lies, not once but twice. :crying: I was strong-armed into having my first abortion and then lead like a sick dog to have the second. I spiraled downward for 10 years in self destructive behavior. I knew what I did was wrong but I didn’t have the courage to stand by myself. Everyone around me fed me the liberal lie of “it’ll be better this way”. I was so consumed by shame from the first one, I actually felt like a hypocrite if I was to say no to my boyfriend for the second one. Instead of standing up for what I believed… By the grace of God and a Rachels’ Vineyard retreat… I have hope back. :amen:

So no… I don’t think it’s too graphic for children to see… why make excuses to not allow your children to see the truth but yet allow them to be subjected to the sex and other immorality going on in today’s society? I am not trying to tell people how to raise their children, but I find it hypocritical to say that it’s too graphic to show what abortion really is but yet allow sex and other perverse behaviors to be prevailent in a childs’ life.

God bless ya’ll!!!
Theresa
Click to expand...
AMEN sister!
 
The issue of abortion has caused many of us to run from tactic to tactic trying to wake others to the truth that a fetus is a human being with a right to live, and then we argue with each other over how it is best to express that truth.

We use spoken words to individuals and groups; written words to newspapers, magazines, internet; we use photos of the living and the dead; demonstrations, political action, voting, civil disobedience; support to mothers who were abandoned, needy, or were considering abortion; education to our family, community, world; we talk and talk and act and act and we PRAY PRAY PRAY.

We use metaphors and slogans: “like the holocaust”, “like slavery”, “genocide”, “women’s right to give life”, “disposable society”. We use the war on words: we say abortion is killing or murder rather than a “termination of a pregnancy”; we stress the words: human, child, infant, preborn over the words: embryo, fetus, unwanted; even the words “pro-life” were created in response to our being called “anti-abortion”.

This is a battle but not like any other. It is a holocaust, a genocide, infanticide, slavery, barbarism; it is anti-female, anti-male, inhumane, a denial of an inalienable right. It is a fight against an insidious and gruesome mass-marketing of glib and empty hedonism; it is social and political expediency; it is a religious issue even if one is pagan or atheist since we are all human and it is life we are believing in.
It is different than the genocides in that the humans under attack are even smaller and more helpless than the millions of humans who have been born and then killed. It is different in that the killing happens, usually in a private office in a “healthcare” center and that the mother/protector of that life does not really ever see the human child who is killed.
It is different in that the mother and protector of that life is often in a very vulnerable position herself and she feels very alone.
I recently read a magazine editorial discussing, “if it’s murder, should the mother go to jail?” The writer states that even most pro-life people would not want the mother to go to jail, therefore the argument of murder does not hold water. What the writer missed is that society colludes in this murder and we should all go to jail. In fact, we are in a prison already by these heinous crimes and we are just now starting to see how we are being punished.

What did it take to: abolish slavery, give women the right to vote, stop Stalin, Hitler, or Mao from mass killings, establish child labor laws, end discrimination laws? These were and are difficult questions for history; so the pro-life movement must continue to ask such difficult questions…of each other and ultimately, of the opposition.
Dr. Seuss’s story, “Horton Hears a Who” is coming to film soon. I always wondered if Seuss had a pro-life message in this story and that the tiny voice screaming “We are here! We are here!” was a metaphor for the unborn needing to be heard pleading, “We are human! We are human!”
It seems to me that the discussion is best when we open up ideas about the next steps we must take to enlighten a lost world about abortion and save lives, rather than dwelling on one tactic.
 
Tom444 said:
Yesterday, some friends and I drove past a pro-life protest on Forbes Avenue by Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh. Normally, I agree with such protests, but in this case, most of the protesters were holding huge (3 to 4 feet high) full-color photographs of aborted fetuses. While I can appreciate their motive of wanting to show the reality of abortion, I’m not sure whether this is really an appropriate way to do so. They weren’t even on the sidewalks outside the hospital (the building is actually on a side street), but right on one of the busiest roads in the city on a Sunday afternoon. My biggest reservation about this is that families with young children will also see these extremely graphic pictures. Overall, I’m not sure whether or not this is an appropriate means of protest. What does everybody else think?
Click to expand...
We are a show me society and like it or not the graphic signs show it. Words are easily twisted or dismissed. In order to dismiss these pictures you have to justify the killing not think that we are not killing or not think about it at all. It needs to be done.

If they are affective I think they will be outlawed. Because some of those who see the killing won’t stop them from outlawing this method of communicating the truth.
 
people do need to see what abortion is and why it is so bad but I think it needs to be done in a sensitive manner so that children are only exposed to graphic pictures at the right age and where there are responsible PREPARED parents there to explain. Too often these pictures are shown on roadsides unexpectedly and parents who are perhaps young and inexperiences have to deal with a distressed child and really don’t know how. I know that a parent should be able to comfort and explain to their children but that only comes with age, experience and preparation as I have found out to my detriment and that of my daughters. Since there is no way of knowing who will be exposed to these pictures by the roadside, such campaigning should be done in universities, colleges and outside clinics. Alternatively, leaflets can be handed to adults anywhere. Young children do not need to be exposed to such pictures since they will not be seeking abortions at that age.
 
i dont think you should post the pictures in public. Tell people that it’s awful and if someone doesn’t believe you, show them in private. Not everyone needs to see that.
 
Linnyo said:
people do need to see what abortion is and why it is so bad but I think it needs to be done in a sensitive manner so that children are only exposed to graphic pictures at the right age and where there are responsible PREPARED parents there to explain. Too often these pictures are shown on roadsides unexpectedly and parents who are perhaps young and inexperiences have to deal with a distressed child and really don’t know how. I know that a parent should be able to comfort and explain to their children but that only comes with age, experience and preparation as I have found out to my detriment and that of my daughters. Since there is no way of knowing who will be exposed to these pictures by the roadside, such campaigning should be done in universities, colleges and outside clinics. Alternatively, leaflets can be handed to adults anywhere. Young children do not need to be exposed to such pictures since they will not be seeking abortions at that age.
Click to expand...
We hold the graphic signs outside a killing center (clinic is a missnomer) and at the request of parents have turned the sign away from the view of children or even in some cases turned them away from children on my own. But I disagree, these signs need to be on bilboards until every person who says they are for Life start voting for Life. It’s not one issue. The child in that picture could be any one of us.
 
Steve40 said:
We hold the graphic signs outside a killing center (clinic is a missnomer) and at the request of parents have turned the sign away from the view of children or even in some cases turned them away from children on my own. But I disagree, these signs need to be on bilboards until every person who says they are for Life start voting for Life. It’s not one issue. The child in that picture could be any one of us.
Click to expand...
I am glad you turn them away from young children. I do agree however that every womanof childbearing age and men need to see these images. Young children with a sensitive nature can and do get upset and not every parent is ‘equipped’ to deal with the explanations.
 
Because most or some of you won’t do what it takes to show people the truth and stop abortion, I will. I and others who care more about babies lives then playing with words and caring about born people’s feelings who will suffer only temporary discomfort we will continue to show these photos until people all over the world are so sickened by abortion that it disappears with no need to ever change a law. We will do what it takes because some of you will not help save lives or are too risk adverse to explain to your children they don’t live in a safe and friendly world and never will.

If you want to know how to end abortion and not just talk about please consider watching my national prolife movie that is now completed and up on youtube:

youtube.com/profile?user=cbrinfo

(This movie teaches you how to fight abortion, not just TALK about abortion).
 
Can anyone point me to the pro-life curriculum used by Catholic schools that includes discussions of the specifics of abortion and showing as visual aids photos of mutilated dead babies in kindergarten and early elementary school? It might help to show the rest of us a model of exactly how we should properly incorporate such images into our own schools and homes in order to be most effective.
 
KarenNC said:
Can anyone point me to the pro-life curriculum used by Catholic schools that includes discussions of the specifics of abortion and showing as visual aids photos of mutilated dead babies in kindergarten and early elementary school? It might help to show the rest of us a model of exactly how we should properly incorporate such images into our own schools and homes in order to be most effective.
Click to expand...
Riiiiiiiight… I’m sure KarenNC is really interested in the “most effective” way to integrate these visual aids into her home and her child’s school - especially after reading her comments here:
40.png
KarenNC:
Frankly, I find this sort of practice repugnant and, honestly, cowardly, regardless of the cause. This is particularly true (in terms of prolife) if they are of the more graphic variety that I have been finding recently. I have had people leave extremely graphic photographic pro-life material on my car in and other areas where my young child has come across them.

Your cause trumpets respect for the family, respect for human life, compassion for the unborn. Practice some respect for the innocence of childhood and compassion for the children who are already born by not imprinting their young minds with these horribly graphic photos. Whether you consider abortion a sin or not, it is not their sin. Neither I nor any other parent should have to treat everywhere my child goes like a minefield.
Click to expand...
Karen, I find it interesting that you are searching for the use of these images by Catholic elementary schools - looks like someone is on a witch hunt.

For someone who acts so righteous and condescending in her other posts, you sure are quick to resort to lies and deception. :rolleyes:
 
I think that people definitely need to understand the truth about abortion… it truly is a terrible thing and people need to be fully educated about it. So when you see a picture of an aborted fetus, if you are human at all, you will be disgusted… even the most pro-choice person is bound to think “Oh, goodness!”

The problem is that the gut aversion can be too strong and can actually drive people away… they don’t want to deal with the sickening pictures and just want to go away and forget about the matter entirely.
 
StandUp4Truth said:
Riiiiiiiight… I’m sure KarenNC is really interested in the “most effective” way to integrate these visual aids into her home and her child’s school - especially after reading her comments here:

Karen, I find it interesting that you are searching for the use of these images by Catholic elementary schools - looks like someone is on a witch hunt.

For someone who acts so righteous and condescending in her other posts, you sure are quick to resort to lies and deception. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
Lies and deception? No. Sarcasm, certainly. And, yes, if anyone is interested, please do read the thread that is being cited, but I would suggest you do so in its entirety for appropriate context and to see who says what. Witch hunt? No, just suggesting that it would be more persuasive if there were evidence that these folks put their money where their mouths (or keyboards) are.

My point, since I was evidently too subtle, is as follows: In spite of all the assertions by their defenders that these images are not only appropriate for all venues, but absolutely necessary, and are at worst mildly confusing to children and no worse than the kids have already seen on Sesame Street (which episode would that be, I wonder) these same groups are not evidently beating down the doors advocating the use of these images and discussions of abortion specifics with young children in the venue over which they have the most control—the religious education of their own children in their own Catholic schools.

If, indeed, “if a child does see them, it is a great opportunity to teach them about the evil of abortion. Children don’t need to be “sheltered”, they need to be educated” as was said a few posts ago, where are the Catholic schools using the Catholic prolife curricula that show these images to these very same young children that “need to be educated?” Why are the Catholic prolife curricula that I can find not even mentioning the word abortion until 5th grade or later, much less showing these images in the classroom to preschoolers or kindergartners? What better venue to have indepth, extended discussions with the children whose religious and moral education is your responsibility, making sure that the message is clearly given from a Catholic-specific viewpoint?

Or Is it just those young children whose families happen to pass by the signs on the public streets that should reap these “benefits” of an early and graphic education in what mutilated dead babies look like? Why would you want to deny millions of Catholic schoolchildren the opportunity to be properly and most effectively “educated” on this topic? Why would you willingly risk your own religious community’s children not having adequate and full protective knowledge as communicated by these images for one more day? Why not have a full curriculum on the topic, with visual aids, that you can hand to the parent so that they can follow up on the “educational opportunity” you have provided for them? Why not use the extensive Catholic school system to model exactly how effective and beneficial such “educational tools” are for preschoolers and early elementary aged children?
 
The simple fact is that Christians must speak the truth. The photos used by pro life protesters may be sickening , however they display the truth.
 
There is a local fundamentalist street preacher who has entered a float in the local halloween parade in which “Dr. Butcher” exhibets his bloody practice. He has won a first amendment case about this and brought about numerous newspaper exchanges. In my opinion, this sort of behavior closes the minds of pro-choice or the undecided. I would prefer as a political tactic showing ultra-sounds of the fetus to everyone possible. Yes, the horrific reality needs to be understood, but this cannot be the only arrow in the pro-life quiver.
 
For 35 years and longer we have tried other arrows to defeat the beast but we have found they are unable to pierce the armor of the beast.

However I will argue to you that most people probably don’t use this arrow correctly. There is only one group who seems to get it right: abortionNO.org.
 
DRIVING_BEAR said:
The simple fact is that Christians must speak the truth. The photos used by pro life protesters may be sickening , however they display the truth.
Click to expand...
Do you discuss in detail, with graphic pictures, with your 4 year old every single thing that happens or exists in the world?

Consider I Corinthians 13 :1-7

1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,** but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

and Colossians 3:12-14

12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

I am asking you to think long, hard and honestly about whether you truly believe that your actions are actually motivated out of the true love, gentleness, compassion and kindness the Church teaches was exemplified by Jesus for that 4 year old standing in front of you looking at your 3 by 4 foot color photograph of bloody piles of butchered baby parts, a photo that is larger than he is.**
 
People often wonder what Jesus might do in this situation.

Well He already showed us:
abortionno.org/Matt/signs/01.html

What is really sad Karen is that if you were in charge of the abortionNO.org group, not a single baby of the hundreds if not thousands who have been saved from abortion would be alive today, not a 1! Can you honestly live with that fact? That your selfishness is so great that it would have led to lives being lost just because you want to shelter a 4 year old?

This is a story of a baby saved from abortion in the last few days because of these graphic photos:

**Another life saved by the pictures. This happens every time we show them, but occasionally, I want to show you their actual words. We got this resonse from a 28-yr-old woman in Idaho who went to our website, www.abortionno.org, and saw what abortion really is:
  1. Do you support legal abortion or oppose legal abortion? “pro-life”
  2. Has this website influenced your thinking concerning abortion? “yes”
    – If so, how? I’m 4 weeks pregnant and was scheduled for an abortion in 5 days, but I felt conflicted about it. Now, after seeing the website, I will not kill this child.
  3. Had you ever seen abortion images before? “no”
    – If so, where?
  4. How much thought have you given to abortion? “lots”
  5. How much time have you spent at this website? “60+”
  6. How did you find this website? I googled it.
There you have it, another baby’s life saved. The story, told by the baby’s mother, confirms it. Praise the Lord!
**

Don’t try to argue that its just because of the website, I’ve witnessed and saved babies with these photos in public on large trucks where everyone can see these images, those lives are worth more then Karen’s or anyone else’s closeminded overprotectiveness. Those lives are more important then your child’s feelings or nightmares or tears. Those lives are more important then your foolhearted opinions. And with every last breath I have in my life I will promote the truth about abortion and I won’t let people like yourself help increase abortions in the world because you are unwilling to do what is moral and legal that saves those babies lives.
 
bmmckinney said:
People often wonder what Jesus might do in this situation.

Well He already showed us:
abortionno.org/Matt/signs/01.html
Click to expand...
Thanks for the link to the image. I hope that everyone will go to it and take a look at the picture on the left and then come back and tell me that this is the image we should have in front of our 3 and 4 year olds as the way to teach them that babies are humans before they are born. Tell me that it is going to be more effective in teaching them about the sanctity of life than images such as this
http://www.vividology.com/sug.shtml
What is really sad Karen is that if you were in charge of the abortionNO.org group, not a single baby of the hundreds if not thousands who have been saved from abortion would be alive today, not a 1! Can you honestly live with that fact? That your selfishness is so great that it would have led to lives being lost just because you want to shelter a 4 year old?
Click to expand...
The complete and entire strategy of this organization hinges upon its ability to put these images (blown up to the size of the side of a truck) in front of 3 and 4 year olds? That if they wait until a kid is even 10 years old, every one of them will rush out to have abortions? That every one of those abortions averted was the result of the person seeing those images at 4 years old? How can that be? The very story you quoted was of an abortion averted because a woman first saw these images at age 28.

Note that that was age 28 -----not age 4.
 
Karen what you aren’t getting the understanding is that your 4 year old seeing these photos is an unintended positive effect of trying to reach the public at large. The reason it is beneficial is because it puts you as a parent in a position to explain that love is good and violence is wrong when a child would react to these photos.

If I and these folks COULD miraculously sheild those children from these images but not their parents at the same time we would. But we can’t.

You didn’t address the issue that none of the babies saved from abortion would be alive today if you had your way in that organization. Guess what? People just like you are in power in the state and national right to life groups and they are responsible in part for the babies who were lost because they didn’t show the truth.

There is a reason that prolife people have lost confidence in those groups because they simply aren’t making any difference. Abortion is worse today then it has ever been and instead of you spending your energy trying to save babies you are complaining about children seeing these photos, you are responsible as well for the good you might have done that God wanted you to do if you are indeed prolife if you had only put your current energy into saving lives instead of saving feelings.

This isn’t an issue for you or people like you. No one like you or those who think like you have ever been victorious in any previous injustice, the proof is in the pudding as it were and you should consider this. And the fact that you are also responsible for those you might guilt trip into not doing what is necessary to save babies because of your falicious and foolish arguments about children’s feelings. I do care about the feelings that are upset by young children by these photos I really do, but they mean nothing compared to the lives that would be saved but weren’t simply because people are too risk adverse to show these photos which would lead to more unborn babies being saved and souls saved as well.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top