Anti-abortion protest signs - how far is too far?

[vern_humphrey]

I will when I come across it!

You have to actively seek it. It doesn’t come to you. It’s not like winning the lottery, you know.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Did you mean this:

Because I disagree with the graphic images does not, in any way, mean I do no work towards ending abortion. To imply such is certainly uncharitable and offensive.

To be a response to this?

Originally Posted by vern humphrey
So tell us about your work to save the unborn.

And that’s all they do – disagree. They have no positive agenda to put forward, no success stories of their own work, or anything like that.

I don’t see any telling about your work, sharing your experiences. I just see disagreement.

 

[KarenNC]

I don’t see any telling about your work, sharing your experiences. I just see disagreement.

Vern, you are simply trying to turn this into a “mine’s bigger than yours so therefore I must be right” contest rather than actually dealing with the question at hand.

Anna does 10 activities which protest abortion and says that tactic A is inappropriate
Bill does 11 activities which protest abortion and agrees with tactic A
Therefore tactic A must be appropriate.

Anna attends 2 church services a week and says that the Eucharist is not sacramentally valid unless performed by an appropriately ordained clergyman.
Bill attends 5 church services a week and says that the Eucharist is perfectly sacramentally valid regardless of who performs it.

Therefore, the Eucharist must be sacramentally valid regardless of who performs it.

 

[Linnyo]

It is like winning the loterry to the child who is saved! I know! I could so easily have been that child since my mother didn’t want me!

You have to actively seek it. It doesn’t come to you. It’s not like winning the lottery, you know.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Did you mean this:

To be a response to this?

I don’t see any telling about your work, sharing your experiences. I just see disagreement.

What I do to combat abortion is my personal business and I see no need to share it on this thread in order for others here to attempt to measure my aversion to this atrocity .

All I am asking is to respect me enough not to insinuate I am pro-choice just because I disagee with the graphic displays.

I did see on another post a bishop who held the sames feelings. I’d like to think you would not call that bishop pro-choice.

 

[wanner47]

I think it’s really wrong to have signs like that. It debases the Right to Life movement to the status of Shock Jock, and in my opinion further dehumanizes the children that have been killed in this manner. I’d hate for my child to see a poster like that…just like I’d hate for her to see A Nightmare on Elm Street. How can you touch someone’s heart when you’re turning their stomach?

I agree wholeheartedly.

I think the pictures can be appropriate in the correct context (e.g., a debate about the reality of abortion), but the overall feeling I get on secular message boards, when this topic is discussed, is that it sends any respect for the Pro-Life movement down the toilet when they resort to “shock jock” tactics.

I prefer to pray the rosary. Prayer is much more effective.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Vern, you are simply trying to turn this into a “mine’s bigger than yours so therefore I must be right” contest rather than actually dealing with the question at hand.

Actually, you are describing yourself here.

Anna does 10 activities which protest abortion and says that tactic A is inappropriate
Bill does 11 activities which protest abortion and agrees with tactic A
Therefore tactic A must be appropriate.

Nobody asked about Anna or Bill. We asked about KarenNC, and what she does. What is it you do, and how effective is it?

Share your hands-on pro-life activities with us.

 

[vern_humphrey]

What I do to combat abortion is my personal business and I see no need to share it on this thread in order for others here to attempt to measure my aversion to this atrocity .

Ah, what you do to combat abortion is your personal business, and what other people do to combat abortion is your personal business, too?

All I am asking is to respect me enough not to insinuate I am pro-choice just because I disagee with the graphic displays.

No one has insinuated that you are pro-choice. We’ve just pointed out that attacks on people who work pro-life issues are inappropriate.

I did see on another post a bishop who held the sames feelings. I’d like to think you would not call that bishop pro-choice.

No one called you pro-choice. But it is fair if people are using an approach and reporting success to ask those who oppose that approach and vilify those people to cite their experiences and successes.

 

[seekerz]

I prefer to pray the rosary. Prayer is much more effective.

You are absolutely right. Prayer is just about the most effective tool our Lord ever left us and done properly, it should offend no one.

I’d been trying to make the point earlier that shock tactics without attempts at evangelisation may just turn people from abortion clinics to artificial contraception. However long it takes and even if only few are convinced, effective evangelisation remains the one, certain and permanent strategy against abortion.

You can either be for God or against Him and until the death-seekers are turned toward God, they’ll always seek death in whatever form that appeals to them.

 

[mapleoak]

You are absolutely right. Prayer is just about the most effective tool our Lord ever left us and done properly, it should offend no one.

I’d been trying to make the point earlier that shock tactics without attempts at evangelisation may just turn people from abortion clinics to artificial contraception. However long it takes and even if only few are convinced, effective evangelisation remains the one, certain and permanent strategy against abortion.

You can either be for God or against Him and until the death-seekers are turned toward God, they’ll always seek death in whatever form that appeals to them.

Yes prayer is probably the most effective tool there is. However, God expects us to do our part as well.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Ah, what you do to combat abortion is your personal business, and what other people do to combat abortion is your personal business, too?

I don’t understand the question. Could you possibly restate it? If you are insinuating my posting here my opinion on the graphic signs I would ask why I shouldn’t? It is the purpose of the thread, is it not? I see no thread asking me to list my pro-life works.

No one has insinuated that you are pro-choice. We’ve just pointed out that attacks on people who work pro-life issues are inappropriate.

I’ve not attacked anyone. I’ve given my opinion on the use of graphic signs. It disagree with your opinion. Last I checked opinions are just that, each individuals personal feelings.

No one called you pro-choice. But it is fair if people are using an approach and reporting success to ask those who oppose that approach and vilify those people to cite their experiences and successes.

I beg to differ with you. Several people on this thread have called people who differ with thier opinions about the graphic signs pro-choice. As I am not I find it extremely offensive and hurtful.

On another thread, I have shown support for showing children instructional videos about improper touching. It is a subject that means very much to me because my family has been severely affected by childhood sexual abuse. I promise you, you would never find me calling someone pro-incest because they don’t want their children exposed to those films.

 

[seekerz]

I ran across this post [forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2629217&postcount=6"]/URL] while taking a break from this thread.

Seems to me that in this discussion, we all could benefit from pondering on it…](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2629217&postcount=6)

 

[boppaid]

Yes prayer is probably the most effective tool there is. However, God expects us to do our part as well.

Isn’t prayer “doing something”? WHy isn’t prayer considered doing our part? It’s certainly more effective (in my humble opinion) than graphic abortion photos.

 

[Linnyo]

Isn’t prayer “doing something”? WHy isn’t prayer considered doing our part? It’s certainly more effective (in my humble opinion) than graphic abortion photos.

Lol - you won’t be allowed a humble opinion. I entirely agree that prayer is doing something and to deny it’s effectiveness would be to deny God therefore it is effective.

 

[mapleoak]

Isn’t prayer “doing something”? WHy isn’t prayer considered doing our part? It’s certainly more effective (in my humble opinion) than graphic abortion photos.

Old Mrs. Watkins awoke one spring morning to find that the river
had flooded the entire first floor of her house. Looking out of
her window, she saw that the water was still rising. Two men passing by on a rowboat shouted up an invitation to row to safety with them. “No, thank you,” Mrs. Watkins replied. “The Lord will provide.” The men shrugged and rowed on.
By evening, the water level forced Mrs. Watkins to climb on top
of the roof for safety. She was spotted by a man in a motorboat,
who offered to pick her up. “Don’t trouble yourself,” she told him. “The Lord will provide.”
Pretty soon, Mrs. Watkins had to seek refuge atop the chimney.
When a Red Cross cutter came by on patrol, she waved it on, shouting, “The Lord will provide.” So the boat left, the water rose, and the old woman drowned.
Dripping wet and thoroughly annoyed, she came through the pearly gates and demanded to speak to God. “What happened?” she cried. “What else did you want me to do,” God said. “I sent three boats.”

• Author Unknown

Generally, it is protestant thinking that we are not required to work, only to pray and trust, etc. God expects us to do our part as well.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I don’t understand the question. Could you possibly restate it?

It’s quite simple. You claim the right to crticize other people’s actions, while holding yourself above criticism.

If you are insinuating my posting here my opinion on the graphic signs I would ask why I shouldn’t? It is the purpose of the thread, is it not? I see no thread asking me to list my pro-life works.

When you enter the debate and attack what other people do, you must accept an examination of your own actions in this matter.

I’ve not attacked anyone. I’ve given my opinion on the use of graphic signs. It disagree with your opinion. Last I checked opinions are just that, each individuals personal feelings.

And in the process attacked the people who use these signs.

I beg to differ with you. Several people on this thread have called people who differ with thier opinions about the graphic signs pro-choice.

When did*** I ***do that?

As I am not I find it extremely offensive and hurtful.

And you think the people you have criticized don’t find your remarks extremely offensive and hurtful?

On another thread, I have shown support for showing children instructional videos about improper touching. It is a subject that means very much to me because my family has been severely affected by childhood sexual abuse. I promise you, you would never find me calling someone pro-incest because they don’t want their children exposed to those films.

And I never called you pro-choice. And for you to insinuate that I did is extremely offensive and hurtful.

 

[Linnyo]

Vern you don’t even realise what you are doing and have done on several threads. You are being abrasive. Many people here think you consider them to be pro-choice just because they don’t agree with you. I am going to do what others from other threads have done and ignore you. I do not take kindly to the insinuations and accusations you throw around and I do not like how you are unwilling to debate without accusing or without acknowledging that other people have valid opinions also.

It’s quite simple. You claim the right to crticize other people’s actions, while holding yourself above criticism.

When you enter the debate and attack what other people do, you must accept an examination of your own actions in this matter.

And in the process attacked the people who use these signs.

When did*** I ***do that?

And you think the people you have criticized don’t find your remarks extremely offensive and hurtful?

And I never called you pro-choice. And for you to insinuate that I did is extremely offensive and hurtful.

 

[KarenNC]

Isn’t prayer “doing something”? WHy isn’t prayer considered doing our part? It’s certainly more effective (in my humble opinion) than graphic abortion photos.

Correct me if I am wrong, as I am certainly not an authority on Catholic hagiography, but aren’t there examples of saints who were canonized specifically because of their incredible intercessory prayer practices and the results thereof? I also believe there are Catholic orders whose primary purpose is intercessory prayer?

 

[RWMorris]

Vern,
You are probably the rudest poster I have ever seen. Just because someone doesn’t agree with holding graphic posters outside abortion clinics doesn’t make them pro-abortion. I don’t necessarily think it is most effective - does that make me any less of a pro-life Catholic? I have brought my children up their whole lives knowing the evils of ANY abortion. I have given my money to prolife groups. Yet I don’t stand outside clinic doors (I give my charity time to other works but I respect those who do give of their time to demonstrating against abortion.). I suspect you might call me a hypocrite or worse, simply because I don’t agree with you in every nuance.
You need Jesus in your life.

 

[sprout]

Vern,
You are probably the rudest poster I have ever seen. Just because someone doesn’t agree with holding graphic posters outside abortion clinics doesn’t make them pro-abortion. I don’t necessarily think it is most effective - does that make me any less of a pro-life Catholic? I have brought my children up their whole lives knowing the evils of ANY abortion. I have given my money to prolife groups. Yet I don’t stand outside clinic doors (I give my charity time to other works but I respect those who do give of their time to demonstrating against abortion.). I suspect you might call me a hypocrite or worse, simply because I don’t agree with you in every nuance.
You need Jesus in your life.