Do Societies at Colleges/Universities have to be ratified in America? At my University they wont ratify any Political Group (Conservatives/Liberals/Socialist/Communist/Anarchist/Fascist ectect), however they are free to meet on Campus and use Campus facilities, they just wont be formally recognized.*Leaders of Vanderbilt Catholic, which has 500 members, says the rule make no sense. P.J. Jedlovec, the group’s president, says their meetings are open to all students, but only people who share the group’s beliefs can be leaders. … Vanderbilt Provost Richard McCarty says religious groups are free to choose their leaders but must allow any student to be a member and to run for office, no matter their beliefs.*Full story at USA Today.
Suppose a large number of atheists decide to join the Catholic group and then run for office. You mght end up with atheist leaders of a Catholic organization. Or skinhead leaders of a Jewish organization. Or Jack Chick heading up the Catholic youth group. It makes no sense.the groups can still choose their leaders, theyre just not allowing overt discrimination. doesnt seem like thered be much risk of a catholic group electing a non catholic as their leader. whats the big deal?
It’s not about disruption. It’s about having a group of like minded people–a Catholic group, a Jewish group, an atheist group. Sometimes discrimination is a good thing. Does the Knights of Columbus accept atheist members? Do atheist groups accept committed evangelicals as members? Does the NAACP wish to have all white members for its leadership? At my parish the Ladies Auxiliary does not accept males as members, nor does the Men’s Club accept women. Discrimination. It’s a good thing.if folks are being disruptive, thats an issue that can be addressed without banning folks from competing against others based on their beliefs. its a liability to allow discrimination.
Exactly. Say there’s a large liberal campus and it has a thriving LGBTQIA organization with hundreds of members and a small Catholic organization with 20 members. Some members of the LGBTQIA group who might not be find of Catholics due to their stance on gay marriage could come together, join the Catholic group with twice the numbers, and completely take it over and change everything about it.Suppose a large number of atheists decide to join the Catholic group and then run for office. You mght end up with atheist leaders of a Catholic organization. Or skinhead leaders of a Jewish organization. Or Jack Chick heading up the Catholic youth group. It makes no sense.
More secular insanity from academia.*Leaders of Vanderbilt Catholic, which has 500 members, says the rule make no sense. P.J. Jedlovec, the group’s president, says their meetings are open to all students, but only people who share the group’s beliefs can be leaders. … Vanderbilt Provost Richard McCarty says religious groups are free to choose their leaders but must allow any student to be a member and to run for office, no matter their beliefs.*Full story at USA Today.
This is in my Diocese. Vanderbilt University is a private university across the street from our Cathedral. Fr. John Sims Baker; the priest that heads Vandy Catholic, argued that many organization at colleges and universities are already discriminatory by their nature. The most discriminatory are the social sororities and fraternaties. Unless you have been selected to belong to that organization; you cannot hold office and you must be a member in good standing. The other are the ‘professional’ societies related to a particular major - you cannot be a member unless you are pursuing a degree in that area or have a particular GPA; thus you cannot hold office. The reasoning behind being recognized by the private university is to be able to recieve some of the student activity funds. Vandy Catholic’s facility is in a house that sits on Cathedral property.It’s not about disruption. It’s about having a group of like minded people–a Catholic group, a Jewish group, an atheist group. Sometimes discrimination is a good thing. Does the Knights of Columbus accept atheist members? Do atheist groups accept committed evangelicals as members? Does the NAACP wish to have all white members for its leadership? At my parish the Ladies Auxiliary does not accept males as members, nor does the Men’s Club accept women. Discrimination. It’s a good thing.
And another interesting and recent case by the supreme court that concluded the opposite.There was a very interesting SCOTUS case about this very thing. Colleges can ban discriminatory practices when it comes to student groups because those groups are not only funded by all of the students but taxpayers. And yes, even private schools get tax dollars.
What case was this? The one I’m talking about was 2010.And another interesting and recent case by the supreme court that concluded the opposite.
Can’t recall the name of the case. Never was good at that, but it was earlier this year, I believe, and it was a unanimous decision by the supreme court, which many pointed to as evidence that they would also shoot down the HHS mandate. It pertained to religious groups’ right to “discriminate” based on religion and adherence to said religion’s precepts.What case was this? The one I’m talking about was 2010.
Look up Christian Legal Society v. Martinez.Can’t recall the name of the case. Never was good at that, but it was earlier this year, I believe, and it was a unanimous decision by the supreme court, which many pointed to as evidence that they would also shoot down the HHS mandate. It pertained to religious groups’ right to “discriminate” based on religion and adherence to said religion’s precepts.
So? They can still get tax dollars. What, logistically, is different between a student group and a workplace in this context? Both groups get government money. Both groups limit membership and leadership based on religion.Look up Christian Legal Society v. Martinez.
The one you’re talking about pertained to employment and was a far different legal question than a student group taking tax dollars and using campus resources to discriminate.
States do have the right to ban discriminatory student groups.
you cant force a university to change its policies for you–the world does not revolve around you. “school’s non-discrimination policy that bars student groups from requiring their leaders to hold specific beliefs.” this would apply to an atheist group as well. whining about something like this makes people look petty, and bigoted.It’s not about disruption. It’s about having a group of like minded people–a Catholic group, a Jewish group, an atheist group. Sometimes discrimination is a good thing. Does the Knights of Columbus accept atheist members? Do atheist groups accept committed evangelicals as members? Does the NAACP wish to have all white members for its leadership? At my parish the Ladies Auxiliary does not accept males as members, nor does the Men’s Club accept women. Discrimination. It’s a good thing.
If you hadn’t noticed, we are taking issue with the policy itself, arguing that it inadvertently encourages true discrimination against minorities on campus. We’re not just complaining about it’s effect on us, but on any group.you cant force a university to change its policies for you–the world does not revolve around you. “school’s non-discrimination policy that bars student groups from requiring their leaders to hold specific beliefs.” this would apply to an atheist group as well. whining about something like this makes people look petty, and bigoted.