Anti-capitalist eco-crusader naomi klein hosted at vatican

[lynnvinc]

Not through innovation but through Fed printing money.

Would you invest in a business which will give you $100 after 5 years if you invest $120? Because such is the economy of fracking. Banks can afford it though, because they can get the initial $120 from the Fed for free… funded by yourself through the inflation tax.

Adam Smith would probably run away in panic if he saw what we call capitalism nowadays.

This brings up an important point. Where do our products come from – even if they are made in China and shipped here, those are our greenhouse gases, not the Chinese.

 

[xNoOnex]

An anti-capitalist author.

Is she anti-capitalist all the time – or does she take a break to sell her books?

Being anti-capitalist doesn’t mean you’re against the concept of a “free” market. While I can’t comment on Ms. Klein’s own ideology, since I really haven’t read anything she wrote, there’s a lot of left-wing economic theories that support the idea of a free market. They just argue that corporations actually make the market less free and the it should belong to the worker rather than the CEO.

 

[zz912]

I seriously doubt Naomi Klein or the Pope support the Russian or E. European style communism – which BTW has a worse environmental track-record than the West.

You can read her mind? All I hear is her denouncement of capitalism.

Being against the form of cut-throat, environment and people destroying global capitalism we have today does not translate into desiring Gulag Archipelago.

We don’t have capitalism today. We have a perverse mixture of socialism and corporatism.

People just don’t have much of an imagination to think about a better society and better, more humane, more Christian way. They assume we have to horde for ourselves whatever we can, and too bad for the poor dying in the streets. They assume that’s the only way to get things for themselves – at the expense of others’ suffering.

Where are the poor dying in the streets? Be specific.

And why is it that conservatives give much more of their income to charity than those on the left politically?

RE abortion, it is possible for a person to be pro-environment to save the world for their own children AND pro-abortion (of other people’s children, so there will be more for one’s own children). However it is totally impossible to be anti-abortion AND anti-environmental. Either the person really isn’t anti-abortion at all (it’s just an ideological fad or sound bite) OR they totally fail to comprehend that the children to be born will need healthy water, air, food, a climate in which to produce that food, and resources with which to build buildings and produce products. Maybe they think it all comes from the stores, and don’t think about where the stores get them.

No one is anti-environment as you have described. We all agree on healthy water, air and food. We don’t agree that carbon dioxide is poison, and we don’t buy into the myth of AGW.

 

[zz912]

The only Naomi Klein book I’ve read is her wonderful No Logo, which I highly recommend to one and all. As far as your unkind characterization of her is concerned, as Ella Fitzgerald used to say, “If you don’t like my peaches, don’t shake my tree!”

Gladly, and I wish the Pope would stay away from these people as well. They give bad advice and believe in horrific things.

 

[Jilly9]

Aside from The Creature From Jekyll Island, which I’ve read, what are some good books to help one get a handle on the true nature of economics? Are there any particularly well done titles out there you can recommend?

*Defending the Free Market: The Moral Case for a Free Economy *by Father Robert Sirico is pretty good.

 

[zz912]

Aside from The Creature From Jekyll Island, which I’ve read, what are some good books to help one get a handle on the true nature of economics? Are there any particularly well done titles out there you can recommend?

Here’s a great little book put out by a former professor of mine. Concise, short, but to the point. Easy reading for those who don’t know deep economics.

Common Sense Economics: What Everyone Should Know About Wealth and Prosperity - James Gwartney

You can find it on Amazon or Ebay for less than $10.

 

[lynnvinc]

Well, not only Naomi Klein was hosted at the Vatican, but also Catholic Climate Covenant’s Executive Director, Dan Misleh, was hosted, and took 20,050 messages to Pope Francis in support of his encyclical – one of those my message

 

[Mark121359]

I wonder how much good fruit Pope Francis expects to find coming from such rotten trees.

Speaking of rotten fruit, another real head scratcher is Pope Francis appointing Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, an atheist who believes the world is overpopulated by 6 billion people to the Pontifical Academy of Science. He is said to be one of the most “aggressive” advocates for the theory of man-made global warming. It’s been reported that Schellnhuber would like to see an Earth Constitution, Global Council and a Planetary Court to punish environmental wrongdoers.

Peace, Mark

 

[weller2]

Speaking of rotten fruit, another real head scratcher is Pope Francis appointing Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, an atheist who believes the world is overpopulated by 6 billion people to the Pontifical Academy of Science.

Exept that the world IS overpopulated.

Current levels of food production are only possible because food is made using hydrocarbon and phosphorus stocks – which are non-renewable. When they are depleted, game over.

 

[zz912]

Exept that the world IS overpopulated.

Current levels of food production are only possible because food is made using hydrocarbon and phosphorus stocks – which are non-renewable. When they are depleted, game over.

If what you are saying is true, then the problem will work itself out naturally. We don’t need to kill off people now because you think something bad might happen in the future.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Chris Martenson’s Crash course.

It is available in the book form, but everything he has to say is in his lectures on Youtube – here is a condensed 1h version: youtube.com/watch?v=pYyugz5wcrI

Hey Weller, thank you so much for that link. I watched it last night and it really blew me away. In a sense I already knew most of that stuff, but Martenson’s devestatingly lucid approach really hit me hard, and I’ve been pondering it ever since.

I’ve bookmarked his website and I’m exploring it. I’ll probably end up reading his books, too.