Anti-Catholic Christians

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Mary888 said:
No He is not. The Eucharist is an actualization of the Last Supper which took place before the Crucifixion.
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You’re partly correct, and partly incorrect.

The Mass is the “unbloody sacrifice of Jesus”. It is, as St. Pope Paul VI wrote in “Solemni hac liturgia” (Credo of the People of God), the sacrifice of Calvary rendered “sacramentally present on our altars” while all the time Christ is “enthroned gloriously in Heaven”. So it’s NOT just The Last Supper, it’s also Calvary. I believe it’s Dom Prosper Gueranger who did a full explanation of Mass and how the actions before Communion correspond to occurrences on Calvary (Jesus is stripped, Jesus dies, etc.)

Because this is sacramental, we are NOT re-crucifying Jesus; because Jesus is gloriously enthroned in Heaven before, during and after every Mass, it’s not a question of Christ having to keep dying over and over for us.

Jimmy Akin explains this in more detail here.

 
Ignore them and disengage from them. The solution to hatred and ignorance is prayer. You have borne the truth to them. The ball is in their court.
 
IamBaptist said:
They, therefore, make the traditions of Rome more important than the Word of God.
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Speaking as a former Protestant, the funny part of your post is that even though you claim to be a former Catholic, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. This is quite common among Catholics who fell away from Catholicism and became Protestant. If you did know what you were talking about, you’d know that the Sacred Tradition you hold in contempt is the very reason you can hold up a Bible on this forum. It was the Catholic Church that compiled the very books you try to use as a gotcha against us. It was the Catholic Church that discerned that they were inspired by God, including the books Martin Luther removed.

So here’s my question to you: where in the Bible does it establish itself as the only source of the Word of God? Where does it establish itself as the only authority? It doesn’t. Because that’s not what the Bible was meant to do. Because the Bible was supposed to be used along aside Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium (does the “three-legged stool” ring a bell?). Sola Scriptura, is in fact, a man-made tradition.

You’ll find on here there are plenty of converts from Protestantism to Catholicism. If you stick around here long enough, you’ll find that Catholicism is not only not as bad as you think it is, but much harder to disprove.

1 Timothy 3:15:
“3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”
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2 Thessalonians 2:14:
“2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle.”
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And an article from this very site over Scripture and Sacred Tradition:


And lastly, a very relevant quote by Bishop Fulton Sheen:
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
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@IamBaptist If you love God, you must also love your fellow man. Your post shows no love for either. Repent, believe in the gospel, and hear those who Jesus has sent.
 
There are many anti Catholics in fundie circles, that is a fact. I won’t use that label on you but it seems that you’ve fallen into the trap of “personal interpretation” of Scripture - and Scripture itself says we are not to do that. The “Your tradition” quote of course clearly was not referring to the sacred Tradition of His Church, the one He established on earth.

There’s also 2 Peter 3:15-16 - And count the forbearance of the Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures

Which stands completely in opposition to just about everything in the Protestant philosophy when it comes to how one is to interpret scripture.

Also the fact you’re calling the office of the Pope the “Grand Poobah” , demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge of the faith you claim as your former one. It’s not surprising, as this is true for many fallen away Catholics.
 
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Sbee0 said:
Also the fact you’re calling the office of the Pope the “Grand Poobah” , demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge of the faith you claim as your former one. It’s not surprising, as this is true for many fallen away Catholics.
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It further suggests that the person had some problem with following Papal authority and that’s why he decided to just do his own thing, interpret the Scripture his own way, and leave. Now he returns trying to spread his errors and being rude in the process. Sad.
 
IamBaptist said:
I love how you totally disregard the teachings of Jesus regarding tradition and go over His head to disprove it by quoting a man. You have proved my point. You will not and can not admit it because it will prove that roman teaching is wrong. PERIOD. There is absolutely no reasoning with you (meaning romanists in general). I should have known better.
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Jesus establishing the office of Pope: You are Peter [literally translated to Rock] and on this Rock I will build My Church.

You: Grand Poobah

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IamBaptist said:
I love how you totally disregard the teachings of Jesus regarding tradition and go over His head to disprove it by quoting a man.
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Well I suppose you got me there. Paul is a man. 😉 Or did you not see the two Bible quotes I provided and the article which goes in more depth about them and more?
IamBaptist said:
You have proved my point. You will not and can not admit it because it will prove that roman teaching is wrong. PERIOD.
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I provided the reasoning for a reasonable discussion you asked for and you then claim I’m incapable of admitting it’s wrong without even reading my entire post? The Bible is the Word of God and disproves Catholicism until I quote an Epistle, in which case I’m quoting a man? And I’m the one accused of being unable to reason?
IamBaptist said:
There is absolutely no reasoning with you (meaning romanists in general). I should have known better.
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Ironic. You seem to have missed why I quoted Fulton Sheen in the first place. You dismiss “Romanists” as incapable of reasoning. You don’t even acknowledge us as Christians. You didn’t read what I gave you, and instead focused on a quote on how people hate the Church not for what it is, but the strawmen people have made it to be over the centuries, ignoring the reasoning it presents. You have no response to my charge about Sola Scriptura being a man-made tradition which you condemn. If anyone has proven a point, it’s you about mine: you have no idea what you’re opposing. You hate a caricature that has been passed down by generations of ill-informed people, very much if not outright like a tradition that you would condemn me for believing over the Bible.
 
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I don’t take offense at this persons use of Romanist. Even though they may mean it in a derogatory sense, it speaks to their own beliefs and views on Catholicism and Catholics.

I say let them continue to speak, so as long they aren’t using foul language or expletives. It simply highlights their inability to defend their positions or beliefs and further reinforces the truth of Catholicism.
 
Years ago, in lengthy board talks with an indefatigable TULIP Calvinist, I spent days thrashing him with history and dictionaries, to extirpate his use of the terms Romish and Romanist (and as we all know, I’m not RC, but am well read).

In the end, he yielded and ceased the practice.

But there are always more out there.
 
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I used feel the need to defend the Catholic Church at all costs, but now I just want to get to the bottom of the truth wherever that may lead me. If the Catholic Church is truly “evil” and “unbiblical” I want to see actual evidence for that.
 
Reading in depth, and from all sides, following what you find and digging deeper, on any subject, is recommended.
 
Greetings of peace!
I can advice you to answer the anti-Catholic that every mass we commemorate the Last Supper given by Christ because we do what He does.We never recrucify me but we give importaqnce to the suffering of Christ for everyone you are not a Cahristian if you never give importance to the deeds of Jesus but you are not a true Christian if you never commemorate the Passion of Christ for you.Of course there is a time that there is a Catholic pope that is bad a Catholic laity that is bad but today it is still standing it is one of the basis of all Christians because it is founded by Christ Himself and He gave authority to the pope but as we know every one even the holy persons commit sins.If it is really polluted by God’s inspiration then why does it still stand today?
 
I think anti-Catholicism in a way is a religion of its own. Or a cult. Ever notice how hardline fundies attack the Catholic church in this way but our church would never condemn them? There’s a reason for that.
 
I always figure if people are comfortable and secure in their own faith, they don’t need to attack other people’s faiths. Nor do they need the approval of any other faith in order to go about their business.
 
This sort of stuff has been going on for many, many years.
All we as Catholics can do is try to correct the myths.
But many non-Catholic Christians will believe what they want to believe.
We live in an age when many people simply will not accept facts.
Fake news, etc.
 
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