I think this article has much more to do with Carol Marin, than it does the Sun-Times. Marin is a political columnist. She also has personal friendships with many nuns her age and older who developed their views in the 1960s and 1970s - a time of turbulent change within the Catholic Church, and also in American cultural attitudes towards women and their societal roles. Some of their views are a reaction to attitudes and practices of the pre-Vatican II/pre-Lyndon Johnson era, attitudes and practices which they joyfully cast off as unduly restrictive and oppressive.
Then she should have let them speak. Her own voice betrayed such a profound lack of knowledge of her subject, her adjectives so inflammatory, that no reader could interpret it as anything other than anti-catholic.
I didnât see it as anti-Catholic at all. I saw it as anti-decisions made lately
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=6201
Hereâs two facts she got wrong right off the bat:
Ms. Marin evidently didnât fact check enough to find out the Cardinal Law has only a membership role, not a leadership one, in the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. (all Cardinals are members of several curial departments)
uhhhh - NO! All the Bishop did was to confirm the latae sententiae excommunication that had *already *occured. That excommunication was not due to any âdecisionâ by Bishop Olmstead but by a decision made by Sr. McBride.
Iâm curious. What specifically in this article do you think is anti-Catholic?Another anti-Catholic article in the Chicago Sun-Times:
suntimes.com/news/marin/2530084,CST-EDT-carol25.article
It must be popular now days to rip on the Church without reading up on the facts
Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.
I wouldnât say itâs terrible anti-Catholic. Yet, it presents a false view of the Church, such as the above quote articulates. Overall, itâs just another run-of-mill article examining the Church from a secular viewpoint thatâs of course not very fond of the Catholic Church.
How 'bout the following, for starters?
There is no outrage to be had by faithful Catholics over the Vatican outlawing attempts at ordaining women. The Church has definitively declared that women can never be priests. Period. Anyone trying to say otherwise is going against (anti) the Church. Thatâs anti-Catholicism, plain and simple. One cannot follow the world AND Christ. One must choose. Those FOR womenâs ordination follow the world.
Sorry, but I donât see the statement about womenâs ordination and the pedophile issue as being anti Catholic. They are legitimate issues. I also didnât get the impression these women were asking for ordination. I do understand their concern that it appeared that the two were considered equal issues. Which to me, they are not.
Carol Marin has a long career as a reporter. If the sisters she spent the afternoon with had wanted to be on the record, you can bet she would have mentioned their names. Since she was at a social function, she probably didnât have a voice recorder on her, so exact quotes wouldnât be possible.
I apologize for not being clearer. I mentioned Lyndon Johnson because his presidency started in 1963. That year, more or less, was a cultural watershed in the US. The years before were something of a carry over from the 1950s. But 1963 onward carried the full turbulence of the 1960s we often think of. Certainly that is true regarding womenâs liberation. I think the views of the nuns is very much a reaction to what they experienced as Catholic sisters and as women before 1963 and afterward.
My response was to the question about how the article was anti-Catholic, not necessarily the nuns about whom the article was written. The author of the article clearly has a problem with the Catholic Churchâs values because they are clearly against the common values of âthe world.â This includes womenâs ordination. And, youâre right, it wasnât the nuns bringing up womenâs ordination. It was the author of the article, which goes back to my answer of the original question as to what in the article seemed anti-Catholic. Anti-Catholics hate any authority that the Church has and they take every opportunity to fight against it.
You will not have to long to wait. A stronger more faithful brand of Cathoilc is coming of age in the Church. THese Nuns and their orders will eventually whiter like a bracnh that sepates itself from the tree. As these Nuns age and the orders as not being replenished with young religous, it will only be a matter of time (at most 50 years) before they are long gone. We must pray for these ladies and all of our priests to live the truth of the Church!
