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Peter_J
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It really depends. Do you mean saying it for the benefit of someone who is unaware of (or confused about) it, or repeating it endlessly like you’re chopping down a tree?
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AbideWithMe
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Yeah, I think each party is usually more sensitive to its own toes getting stepped on and semi-oblivious to when it’s doing the squashing.I agree with Jon. If you’re Catholic, you’re sensitive to comments about Catholicism and if you’re Protestant you’re sensitive about comments about Protestantism.
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Thorolfr
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AbideWithMe
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At some point, though, Randy, we’ve questioned our own beliefs, examined yours with open hearts and minds, and still end up where we started. At that point I think we need to respect each other’s intellects and integrity, do less yapping at each other and more working together in respectful regard.If Protestants feel uncomfortable when I attack their doctrines, good! I want them to double-check what they believe.
If Protestants attack Catholicism, good! I want to be able to set the record straight and cause them to double-check what they believe.
The only Protestant I can’t work with is the one who “doesn’t want to talk about it.”
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AbideWithMe
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That’s a good distinction for all parties to keep in mind.
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Peter_J
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Alright, for the sake of discussion let’s say dismissive. But in any case, here’s the bottom line: there’s a huge difference between a Catholic making an anti-Protestant statement, and a Catholic making an anti-Protestant statement which is then treated as representing the thinking of Catholics generally.
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Peter_J
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Why thank you.
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benhur
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Like they say, once you have won them over, stop talking.
I guess there is a time for “repetition”. But like all things, “I don’t care what you know till I know you care” applies . So saying something once because the other is unaware, or many times because “it hasn’t gotten thru”, “a spoon full of sugar sure helps the medicine go down”.
I am sure I am guilty of all, but the “endless repeating” brings to mind the 30,000 sects of Protestantism as an example.
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SalusaSecondus
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I am not anti Catholic. I am anti Catholicism.Hi all!
To start with a small disclaimer, I’m going to be expressing an opinion, so if you don’t want to read on I’ll understand.
The term “anti-Catholic” is used fairly frequently, but it seems to me that Protestants get off fairly easily: this is because if a Protestant make an anti-Catholic statement, (reasonable) Catholics generally understand that it is not representatives of Protestants generally. On the other hand, I frequently hear a Catholic make an anti-Protestant statement followed by a reaction from Protestants often along the lines of “Yeah, that’s what I would expect a Catholic to say.” (This is easy to see in the very same Protestants who are most active on this forum.)
Soapbox away.
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benhur
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Hi Peter,Hi all!
To start with a small disclaimer, I’m going to be expressing an opinion, so if you don’t want to read on I’ll understand.
The term “anti-Catholic” is used fairly frequently, but it seems to me that Protestants get off fairly easily: this is because if a Protestant make an anti-Catholic statement, (reasonable) Catholics generally understand that it is not representatives of Protestants generally. On the other hand, I frequently hear a Catholic make an anti-Protestant statement followed by a reaction from Protestants often along the lines of “Yeah, that’s what I would expect a Catholic to say.” (This is easy to see in the very same Protestants who are most active on this forum.)
Soapbox away.
It sounds like you are of the opinion Catholic posters are more reasonable in their reaction to criticism than P’s . Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe part of the reason for your observation, if it is true, is that Protestantism covers a much wider range of views than Catholicism. Another words, part of Catholic apologetics is using that to their advantage. They have reason to be aware that not all P’s for instance say baptism is ineffectual, or that not all P’s say Mary had other children , or not all P’s say the eucharist is symbolic. They use that to try to try to show other P’s that other P’s have similar Catholic views.(eg- Luther believed Mary ever virgin and said eucharist was more than symbolic etc)
This can not be said of Catholicism. There is no variation on declared doctrine . There is variation on individual Catholics fielty to it. There are times a P may cite what an individual Catholic may have said that backs up a P view. But it is a tough to cite one Catholic who is agreeing with a P view when it is not really in accordance with CC teaching. For the most part though debating points against Protestantism are centuries old and refined and in accordance with one magisterium , not 30,000.
So then yes, a Catholic must reason against P’s in a uniform fashion, per her singularly established doctrine and tradition. There a few variations (Melkites and of course), but for the most part, a Catholic has to be truthful to their One faith.
Having said all that , guilty as charged . Sometimes in frustration I have said , “a Catholic must say what you just said” after all reasoning has been exhausted. Most of the time I just say, yes , understand the Catholic pitch, thank you .
Maybe Jon is right , most things here are equal acrsoss the board , from both sides. The good ,the bad and the ugly of it all.
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Reuben_J
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Quite true to some Catholics (not all). Those Catholics who have Protestant background probably don’t as they have better knowledge in differentiating Protestantism. Yet not all. So this is just on individual basis.
Protestants are considered those who broke away from the Catholic Church though later, there were many Protestants who broke away from the original Protestants who broke away from the Catholic Church. A very simple Catholic can be quite guilty of lumping those who are not in communion with Rome, except for the Orthodox, as Protestants.
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icamhif
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The Catholics who make polemical statements, “anti-Protestant” or otherwise, are not representative of Catholics in general. I know this from visiting multiple parishes and my former RCIA class. One of the best people I’ve ever met was a Catholic Nun.Hi all!
To start with a small disclaimer, I’m going to be expressing an opinion, so if you don’t want to read on I’ll understand.
The term “anti-Catholic” is used fairly frequently, but it seems to me that Protestants get off fairly easily: this is because if a Protestant make an anti-Catholic statement, (reasonable) Catholics generally understand that it is not representatives of Protestants generally. On the other hand, I frequently hear a Catholic make an anti-Protestant statement followed by a reaction from Protestants often along the lines of “Yeah, that’s what I would expect a Catholic to say.” (This is easy to see in the very same Protestants who are most active on this forum.)
Soapbox away.
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Micosil
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I too wondered about the accuracy of the translation, but indeed, the user does seem legit, and a wrong translation could quickly be refuted by anyone who watches the video and happens to know Serbian (assuming that is the language the bishop uses). Now granted, Serbian is a relatively obscure language, and the video is relatively new (only been up a few months), so I wonder if I can find someone that speaks Serbian to check out the translation.I wondered, too, about the translation. I looked at the listing of the other videos posted by the same YouTube user, and the user seems legit, but… wow, that’s bizarre if that translation is in fact correct.
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Well, I have received “suggestions” in the past.I’m not sure what you mean, but you have piqued my interest: did other Lutheran posters reign you in, or whatever the phrase might be? That sounds like a story worth hearing.
But you phrased this as Catholic and protestant, and I can remember lots of times when protestants, myself included, came to the defense of Catholics who were being attacked unfairly, and vice versa.
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And even this sounds more like a cliche. Yes ,it is true that Lutheranism and Catholicism have significant differences, but our confessions claim we are Catholic.
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Rhetorically, how much of ourselves are we against?
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Sarcelle
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It js one thing to disagree with another’s beliefs but make sure you have an accurate view of what the other believes. Do not take the word of others at face value and then base your objections on it. Find out for yourself preferably from the source. While there are good sources of true information out there, there are even more sources of false information.
A lot of anti-Catholicism by people are usually based on false beliefs about Catholic doctrines.
A lot of anti-Catholicism by people are usually based on false beliefs about Catholic doctrines.
This deserves a
And the reverse is true. If you are going to choose between what I has a Lutheran have to say about the Catholic Church, or a good Catholic says, listen to the Catholic.
If you are going to choose between what a Catholic says about the Lutheran Church, or what a good Lutheran says, listen to the Lutheran.
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Randy_Carson
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Sadly, there are folks such as yourself who are MORE knowledgeable about Catholicism than some Catholics.This deserves a
And the reverse is true. If you are going to choose between what I has a Lutheran have to say about the Catholic Church, or a good Catholic says, listen to the Catholic.
If you are going to choose between what a Catholic says about the Lutheran Church, or what a good Lutheran says, listen to the Lutheran.
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GKC
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And even Anglicans have been known to do that, in addition to the protestant folk.Well, I have received “suggestions” in the past.
But you phrased this as Catholic and protestant, and I can remember lots of times when protestants, myself included, came to the defense of Catholics who were being attacked unfairly, and vice versa.
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PRmerger
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Absolutely there is.
To wit:
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20227&d=1403928673
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