Anti-Catholicism

[1beleevr]

I am inclined…personally, to read the Bible…the works of the early Church fathers and doctors…saints and Apostles or/and the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding my religion and who God is and even what God is than a novel written in the 21st century by a man who has no other credits than being a skilled writter. Maybe I am missing something but I don’t think so:shrug:

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Perhaps you should loosen up, and read an entertaining book, once in awhile, like “The Shack”,or anything by Max Lucado! The priest who does catholic services at the prison told me that “The Shack,” was requiresd reading for catholics; true or false?

 

[fbl9]

I understand your position, Leslie. But please don’t throw away the silverware because a
couple of pieces are tarnished. In this case you are profiling. I and many other do not
do this. we take each individual at face and do not judge the whole by that individual
( unless of they are cultists ). So please re-think your comments. In answer to your
question, the answer is no, and the Church teaches this. Anyone who says otherwise does not know what they are talking about. God Bless.

Looks like you got your answer.

 

[fbl9]

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Perhaps you should loosen up, and read an entertaining book, once in awhile, like “The Shack”,or anything by Max Lucado! The priest who does catholic services at the prison told me that “The Shack,” was requiresd reading for catholics; true or false?

false
The only required reading is holy writ.

 

[heathernoel]

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Well, isn’t that just precious

Thanks, Glad you can appreciate it! I don’t believe in OSAS…I put my faith in the Eucharist

 

[JustaServant]

And as an “ex-catholic” were you taught to be so condemning and abrasive in your
your remarks? Whether or not you were once Catholic is of no concern at present to me.
I am making a generalized statement to inform all that the rule of “sola scriptura” has
splintered Christendom. I need no documents to back this statement. It is a well known
fact. And what you call logical fallacy is only in your eyes. I don’t know what is the cause of your so evident bitterness, but please use a bit of charity, humility and kindness in your responses to all.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I have long since forgotten what this thread is about.
But one thing I’ve always noticed are the most angry anti-Catholics out there are former Catholics. They are like people talking about their ex-wives or husbands. I’ve met more than a few trying to convince me the ex really truly was the anti-christ.

 

[heathernoel]

I have long since forgotten what this thread is about.
But one thing I’ve always noticed are the most angry anti-Catholics out there are former Catholics. They are like people talking about their ex-wives or husbands. I’ve met more than a few trying to convince me the ex really truly was the anti-christ.

That’s true! As an ex Methodist, I don’t have anything to be bitter about. If it weren’t for Methodism, I’d never have discovered that the truth lies in the Church!

Good post!

 

[rinnie]

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I agree with you about Mary; not sure about mass, and don’t know if the first pope was married or not([SIGN]unless of course you mean Peter)/[/SIGN]QUOTE]

Yes you are correct. Of Course we mean Peter. You are learning!

 

[rinnie]

I am inclined…personally, to read the Bible…the works of the early Church fathers and doctors…saints and Apostles or/and the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding my religion and who God is and even what God is than a novel written in the 21st century by a man who has no other credits than being a skilled writter. Maybe I am missing something but I don’t think so:shrug:

Yeah I guess I feel the same way. I have never heard of that book before and Mon. I was at the book store. I was going to get it, but thought No, I will maybe get it at the Library someday. But if its something I am going to buy I want something I can keep and read over and over. I choose…

The writings of the Early Fathers of the Church! I believe I made the right choice. For now I am going to concentrate on the Holy Spirit. Thats my goal until Christmas. To meditate on the Early Fathers teachings.

 

[Prieldedi]

I have long since forgotten what this thread is about…

Just to bring us back on track:

“There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.”

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.

God bless you

 

[SteveGC]

stevegc: Even though I sometimes wax catholic, I am someone who has a habit of putting his all into everything i do, including working for God:thumbsup: I feel like that if I became a catholic, I would be a “cafeteria catholic,” something I know the hardliners frown upon

Well, of course you are busy working for God, 1beleevr. Glad to hear you’re still hard at it…I wonder why you contrast this work for God you do with being a Catholic ?

It occurred to me after reading this that in a strange, yet very real sense, all non-Catholic Christians are cafeteria Catholics, at least in principle.

What’s a “hardliner”?

I would rather be 100% saved than 100% Catholic

And under the word redundant in Webster’s it says: “see redundant”.

Just joshing…but why would you think that being 100% Catholic would be anything less than being 100% saved? Hopefully some day you’ll realize that 100% Catholic = 100% Christian.

Or maybe, Just maybe, we’re all Christians

Oh, well my goodness, Dmack…of course we’re all Christians to some degree. You know better than that. I don’t discriminate when it comes to identifying Christians in general…nor does The Church. Of course how we define Christian may be different, but it’s one thing to seek and follow Christ, and another to do that AND align ourselves with His Church. For we are called to be Christians under ONE Church…a Church possessing ONE faith. I don’t know about you, but I include unity in my petitions to our Lord. Good to talk to you again, btw.

 

[rinnie]

Thank you, you proved my point. nowhere does it say a priest cannot marry…celibacy is a choice… Why has there been a debate about changing the Church law and allowing priests to marry. I have known 2 priests that had to leave the priesthood so they could marry. One of them was my math teacher in California…Father Fabian…Another was a friend of the family. They said that they where excommunicated from the church because of that, and that is what we were always taught. Excommunication in the church meant hell. However that is a church law and not in the word. I would like to thank you however because you accually tookk the time to dig in the Word and find some great scriptures. I really surprised me Randy. Before you have been very sarcastic, and I was in return. This was acctually nice. What it boils down to however is that God said yes and the church said no, or there would be married priests, at least 2 that I know of anyway. One other thing…Celibacy is a choice, not a gift.

Leslie where did anyone ever say that a Priest could not marry. Where did the CHURCH ever say no? Just because you do not understand the teachings of the CC does not mean that the CC is wrong. There are many Priests that are marrried and are Catholic. You just let your ignorance for the faith show time after time. There is a difference between a teaching and a discipline. There are different rites in the CC. If a Priest is called by Christ to the Roman Rite and chooses to not marry who are you to question God or that Priest who God has called. The Roman Rite does not allow marriage but that is a discipline of the Roman Rite.

Now could you show me where that is the CHURCH LAW. Thank-you

 

[rinnie]

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Perhaps you should loosen up, and read an entertaining book, once in awhile, like “The Shack”,or anything by Max Lucado! The priest who does catholic services at the prison told me that “The Shack,” was requiresd reading for catholics; true or [SIGN]false?/[/SIGN]QUOTE

 

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

Reread the OP. He is not talking about mere unkindnesses. The persecutions suffered by The Catholic Church are grave, severe and ongoing, as the OP clearly recognizes and was questioning as to the explanation for it.

 

[Javl]

I have long since forgotten what this thread is about.
But one thing I’ve always noticed are the most angry anti-Catholics out there are former Catholics. They are like people talking about their ex-wives or husbands. I’ve met more than a few trying to convince me the ex really truly was the anti-christ.

Yes. You hit the nail right on the head ( or is it hit the head right on the nail? ). Many of
these ex-Catholics, no matter what their reason for leaving, are always experts on the Catholic religion. Believe me, if they were they would never have left, no matter the reason,
and this goes for some ex-priests too. All we can do is pray for them and ask the Lord to
take into consideration the reason for their leaving His Church. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

Just to bring us back on track:

“There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.”

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.

God bless you

How true, how true, how true. If only they would take the time to find out about it like so
many converts have done. It is NOT the “Big Bad Wolf” so many think that it is.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Drawmack]

And as an “ex-catholic” were you taught to be so condemning and abrasive in your
your remarks? Whether or not you were once Catholic is of no concern at present to me.
I am making a generalized statement to inform all that the rule of “sola scriptura” has
splintered Christendom. I need no documents to back this statement. It is a well known
fact. And what you call logical fallacy is only in your eyes. I don’t know what is the cause of your so evident bitterness, but please use a bit of charity, humility and kindness in your responses to all.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

If you’re responding in general then do not address them to me. If you’re speaking to me then address them to me.

 

[heathernoel]

How true, how true, how true. If only they would take the time to find out about it like so
many converts have done. It is NOT the “Big Bad Wolf” so many think that it is.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I think that taking the time to get to know us isn’t what those 100 or so have in mind, unfortunately.

 

[Drawmack]

I have long since forgotten what this thread is about.
But one thing I’ve always noticed are the most angry anti-Catholics out there are former Catholics. They are like people talking about their ex-wives or husbands. I’ve met more than a few trying to convince me the ex really truly was the anti-christ.

For clarity’s sake. I’m not angry at Catholicism or the Catholic Church. Sometimes the actions of those who proclaim Catholicism irritates me. When someone tells me that I know nothing about Catholicism it really get’s my goat. I don’t know everything. Sometimes I say things that are incorrect. However, I do know a great deal about Catholicism. C’mon, assuming that someone doesn’t know the Bible is read at Mass – really, just c’mon. I have this year’s missalette within reach right now and will be getting next year’s soon. Just because I decided to leave the Catholic Church doesn’t mean that I don’t know, or understand, the teachings. It means that I looked at the facts and do not accept all of the Catholic Church’s teachings at correct and true. I did not want to be a cafeteria Catholic so instead of disagreeing quietly, I left.

I am grateful to the Catholic Church because it helped bring me closer to Christ. I am grateful to Catholics because there is so much good done by them and so many of them really are God’s people.

Just because I get angry at a person does not mean that I am angry at the Church.

 

[Drawmack]

Oh, well my goodness, Dmack…of course we’re all Christians to some degree. You know better than that. I don’t discriminate when it comes to identifying Christians in general…nor does The Church. Of course how we define Christian may be different, but it’s one thing to seek and follow Christ, and another to do that AND align ourselves with His Church. For we are called to be Christians under ONE Church…a Church possessing ONE faith. I don’t know about you, but I include unity in my petitions to our Lord. Good to talk to you again, btw.

Nice talking to you too Steve.

 

[Drawmack]

Yes. You hit the nail right on the head ( or is it hit the head right on the nail? ). Many of
these ex-Catholics, no matter what their reason for leaving, are always experts on the Catholic religion. Believe me, if they were they would never have left, no matter the reason,
and this goes for some ex-priests too. All we can do is pray for them and ask the Lord to
take into consideration the reason for their leaving His Church. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

See, you are assuming that two people presented with the same evidence will draw the same conclusions. That is an incredibly ignorant assumption to make. What would be the purpose of a trial by jury of your peers if this were true? Why would everyone not agree on everything if this were true? Two people can view the same evidence and arrive a different conclusions. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t look at it thoroughly. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t understand it properly. To make this assumptions is to close down any hope for any type of apologetics with the other. So, let me ask you this. Seeing that you believe that the Catholic Church is the One, True, Church or Christ, do you not hope and pray that all Christians will come into full communion with the Catholic Church? If you answered yes to the previous question then why would you publicly make assumptions which serve only to push people farther from the Church?