Anti-Catholicism

[Javl]

See, you are assuming that two people presented with the same evidence will draw the same conclusions. That is an incredibly ignorant assumption to make. What would be the purpose of a trial by jury of your peers if this were true? Why would everyone not agree on everything if this were true? Two people can view the same evidence and arrive a different conclusions. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t look at it thoroughly. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t understand it properly. To make this assumptions is to close down any hope for any type of apologetics with the other. So, let me ask you this. Seeing that you believe that the Catholic Church is the One, True, Church or Christ, do you not hope and pray that all Christians will come into full communion with the Catholic Church? If you answered yes to the previous question then why would you publicly make assumptions which serve only to push people farther from the Church?

You assidious comments on my statements are rather abrading and irritating. I am trying
to answer you in all charity. But when you insist that my statemants and comments are off the wall all I can say is that you truly do not know anything whatsoever about Catholicism regardles of what you may say. I find it impossible that I, and others, to have any decent kind of communication with you. I pray that the Good Lord remove whatever bitterness you have from you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[rinnie]

See, you are assuming that two people presented with the same evidence will draw the same conclusions. That is an incredibly ignorant assumption to make. What would be the purpose of a trial by jury of your peers if this were true? Why would everyone not agree on everything if this were true? Two people can view the same evidence and arrive a different conclusions. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t look at it thoroughly. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t understand it properly. To make this assumptions is to close down any hope for any type of apologetics with the other. So, let me ask you this. Seeing that you believe that the Catholic Church is the One, True, Church or Christ, [SIGN]do you not hope and pray that all Christians will come into full communion with the Catholic Church?[/SIGN] If you answered yes to the previous question then why would you publicly make assumptions which serve only to push people farther from the Church?

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How could us praying for us all to come back to the CC that Jesus started push people further away from the Church. How could any Christian praying for another Christian push anyone away from the Catholic Church? I was always taught prayer is what unites us not tears us apart.

 

[1beleevr]

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I agree with you about Mary; not sure about mass, and don’t know if the first pope was married or not([SIGN]unless of course you mean Peter)/[/SIGN]QUOTE]

Yes you are correct. Of Course we mean Peter. You are learning!

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Oh goody! I am pleased as punch! I don’'t know what I’d do, if I didn’t have the Holy Spirit to guide me through this crazy world

 

[1beleevr]

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The only required reading is holy writ.

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Are you guys/gals strongly encouraged to read books by catholic authors, and writings from the pope, and early church fathers?

 

[1beleevr]

You assidious comments on my statements are rather abrading and irritating. I am trying
to answer you in all charity. But when you insist that my statemants and comments are off the wall all I can say is that you truly do not know anything whatsoever about Catholicism regardles of what you may say. I find it impossible that I, and others, to have any decent kind of communication with you. I pray that the Good Lord remove whatever bitterness you have from you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

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Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t always find “charity” in your posts; at least those directed to non-catholics! What I have found is that you tend to lump us all into the same group, because we are non-catholic! I try real hard not to do that with the catholics I have met, including in this forum! If you live in a glass house, you shouldn’t throw rocks! But, you treat former catholics worse than you treat us, so that is something As a Christian, one must be prepared to endure criticism, hate, and persecution!

 

[1beleevr]

I think that taking the time to get to know us isn’t what those 100 or so have in mind, unfortunately.

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How 'bout That??? You guys do have something in common with us, besides being Christians; you don’t really get to know those non-catholics that you slam

 

[fbl9]

prieldedi:Hopefully, Christ will come back to get us before 2025! And the number of denominations, has never been a major concern of mine ?

Just curious isn’t there an old song with something like that yr in it? “in the yr 2025” or is “in the yr 2525”?

 

[pismopal]

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Perhaps you should loosen up, and read an entertaining book, once in awhile, like “The Shack”,or anything by Max Lucado! The priest who does catholic services at the prison told me that “The Shack,” was requiresd reading for catholics; true or false?

You are displaying your complete lack of understanding of the Church. There is no “required” reading of anything by a member of the Church.( Before the “BIble worshippers” chime in…it is not required that a believer own or read a Bible in order to be a Christian) For openers…we want the people who are unable to read to be Christians also. The priest who told you that Catholics are required to read “The Shack” was either wrong…or you misunderstood his words. As for my need to " loosen up"…you say that without knowing me so please allow me to laugh with gusto…and thanks. Now…on the subject of reading. I do not read fiction…not now, not ever. It is the way my brain works and I make no apology. Many people are the same way…I am historical and that is a large reason for the reason I converted…beside the fact that Christ founded the Church…I started to write" my Church" but it is your Church too…you just haven’t realized this yet…ne c’est pas?

 

[fbl9]

See, you are assuming that two people presented with the same evidence will draw the same conclusions. That is an incredibly ignorant assumption to make. What would be the purpose of a trial by jury of your peers if this were true? Why would everyone not agree on everything if this were true? Two people can view the same evidence and arrive a different conclusions. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t look at it thoroughly. It doesn’t mean that one didn’t understand it properly. To make this assumptions is to close down any hope for any type of apologetics with the other. So, let me ask you this. Seeing that you believe that the Catholic Church is the One, True, Church or Christ, do you not hope and pray that all Christians will come into full communion with the Catholic Church? If you answered yes to the previous question then why would you publicly make assumptions which serve only to push people farther from the Church?

There is a major difference in believing a thing to be true and knowing a thing to be true.

 

[1beleevr]

Just curious isn’t there an old song with something like that yr in it? “in the yr 2025” or is “in the yr 2525”?

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Zager and Evans,“In the Year 2525.” I think it was prieldedi who mentioned the year 2025, and I said," with any luck, Jesus will have come to pick us up by then."

 

[1beleevr]

How true, how true, how true. If only they would take the time to find out about it like so
many converts have done. It is NOT the “Big Bad Wolf” so many think that it is.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

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That is an interesting characterization of the catholic church; don’t believe I’ve ever heard it referred to as “The Big Bad Wolf!” I just always thought they were different, that’s all!

 

[1beleevr]

You are displaying your complete lack of understanding of the Church. There is no “required” reading of anything by a member of the Church.( Before the “BIble worshippers” chime in…it is not required that a believer own or read a Bible in order to be a Christian) For openers…we want the people who are unable to read to be Christians also. The priest who told you that Catholics are required to read “The Shack” was either wrong…or you misunderstood his words. As for my need to " loosen up"…you say that without knowing me so please allow me to laugh with gusto…and thanks. Now…on the subject of reading. I do not read fiction…not now, not ever. It is the way my brain works and I make no apology. Many people are the same way…I am historical and that is a large reason for the reason I converted…beside the fact that Christ founded the Church…I started to write" my Church" but it is your Church too…you just haven’t realized this yet…ne c’est pas?

I saw this priest handing an inmate a copy of “The Shack,” and was curious, as I didn’t think the catholics would read it. Then someone on this thread, or another one, echoed the priest’s words about it being required reading.No fiction ever. huh? Not even in grade school? 'The Shack," has inspired people from all walks of life, some like it others hate it, still others are scratching their heads:thumbsup:

 

[Javl]

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Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t always find “charity” in your posts; at least those directed to non-catholics! What I have found is that you tend to lump us all into the same group, because we are non-catholic! I try real hard not to do that with the catholics I have met, including in this forum! If you live in a glass house, you shouldn’t throw rocks! But, you treat former catholics worse than you treat us, so that is something As a Christian, one must be prepared to endure criticism, hate, and persecution!

I always try to speak charitably. If I don’t I apologize. As for former Catholics, yes I some
times do because they always act as if they know more than the Church and seem to flaunt it and I do get riled up. And as far as non-Catholics go, I shouldn’t, but then 9 out of 10 do not know anything about the Church and I’m just trying to get them to understand. I know there are exceptions, but…And, believe me, I have had my share of criticism, hate, and persecution and I have tried to act as a Christian in a Christian manner, not
always succesfuly though. I ask, how many of the respondents on this forum have been in my shoes? I always pray for wisdom and guidance and always try to look at the other side.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

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That is an interesting characterization of the catholic church; don’t believe I’ve ever heard it referred to as “The Big Bad Wolf!” I just always thought they were different, that’s all!

In my lifetime ( I am 84 ) I have heard it called many things and I have been villified for
being Catholic. You and other non-Catholics on this forum may not, but many non-Catholics do believe that the Catholic Church is a form of “The Big Bad Wolf”.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[1beleevr]

I always try to speak charitably. If I don’t I apologize. As for former Catholics, yes I some
times do because they always act as if they know more than the Church and seem to flaunt it and I do get riled up. And as far as non-Catholics go, I shouldn’t, but then 9 out of 10 do not know anything about the Church and I’m just trying to get them to understand. I know there are exceptions, but…And, believe me, I have had my share of criticism, hate, and persecution and I have tried to act as a Christian in a Christian manner, not
always succesfuly though. I ask, how many of the respondents on this forum have been in my shoes? I always pray for wisdom and guidance and always try to look at the other side.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

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Apology accepted! Before coming on this forum, the bulk of my contact with catholics was very negative Not saying that to rile anyone up, or criticize the religion as a whole, but it’s the truth! Because of this, I started to wonder,“Are all catholics so abrasive and quick to drop an F-bomb or three? I have found that this is not the case; although there are some contentious individuals on this forum(on both sides)! I have come a long way in obeying the second greatest Commandment(Matthew 22:39), and am finding it easier to “love” my fellow man, regardless of race, religious belief, etc. Even though I have differences of opinion with people of all faiths(not just catholics), believe me when I tell you that I have the utmost respect for everyone, even the inmates I work around! The interesting thing I would hear from former catholics was,” I was raised catholic, and then I got saved,"or, “I learned the truth!” I am still confused about that! Anyway, as Christians, we must learn to put aside petty differences, and strive to fill the Kingdom, not churches:thumbsup: Love you, my Christian brother

 

[1beleevr]

In my lifetime ( I am 84 ) I have heard it called many things and I have been villified for
being Catholic. You and other non-Catholics on this forum may not, but many non-Catholics do believe that the Catholic Church is a form of “The Big Bad Wolf”.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

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It’s kinda like my profession; correctional officer. When one or more officers get in to trouble, and it’ on the news, some are quick to paint all of us with the same broad brush!

 

[Brian_Culliton]

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Apology accepted! Before coming on this forum, the bulk of my contact with catholics was very negative Not saying that to rile anyone up, or criticize the religion as a whole, but it’s the truth! Because of this, I started to wonder,“Are all catholics so abrasive and quick to drop an F-bomb or three? I have found that this is not the case; although there are some contentious individuals on this forum(on both sides)! I have come a long way in obeying the second greatest Commandment(Matthew 22:39), and am finding it easier to “love” my fellow man, regardless of race, religious belief, etc. Even though I have differences of opinion with people of all faiths(not just catholics), believe me when I tell you that I have the utmost respect for everyone, even the inmates I work around! The interesting thing I would hear from former catholics was,” I was raised catholic, and then I got saved,"or, “I learned the truth!” I am still confused about that! Anyway, as Christians, we must learn to put aside petty differences, and strive to fill the Kingdom, not churches:thumbsup: Love you, my Christian brother

In order for a Catholic to become a former Catholic they would have to discover something about their religion that isn’t right. I think that is why us former Catholics appear so irritating to devout Catholics. However, I can speak for myself and at least a few others when I say that our beef is not with Catholics it is with Catholic doctrine. When people’s beliefs are challenged they get offended. Often in an informal debate setting, like a discussion board, hostility rises as the debate heats up.

Please try to remember one thing about us former Catholic; we most likely have a lot of family and friends who are devoted to the Catholic faith and we love them dearly. We do not set out to demean Catholics in any way.

It is quite natural for someone to say they found the truth when they leave one belief system for another. People do not leave a church they have been a part of for years without believing they have discovered something better. Even if they become atheist they believe they have found something better.

 

[1beleevr]

In order for a Catholic to become a former Catholic they would have to discover something about their religion that isn’t right. I think that is why us former Catholics appear so irritating to devout Catholics. However, I can speak for myself and at least a few others when I say that our beef is not with Catholics it is with Catholic doctrine. When people’s beliefs are challenged they get offended. Often in an informal debate setting, like a discussion board, hostility rises as the debate heats up.

Please try to remember one thing about us former Catholic; we most likely have a lot of family and friends who are devoted to the Catholic faith and we love them dearly. We do not set out to demean Catholics in any way.

It is quite natural for someone to say they found the truth when they leave one belief system for another. People do not leave a church they have been a part of for years without believing they have discovered something better. Even if they become atheist they believe they have found something better.

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There are people I know that others call “church gypsies”, roaming from church to church or denomination to denoination, trying to find their spot! I was raised in the '50s in a Southern Baptist church, but do not espouse myself to any organized denomination! When I encounter former catholics, they usually say that they are accused of being under catechised, or not totally faithful to the church!

 

[Leslie_Polley]

I’d rather live in the fullness of the Eucharist, being able to reconcile myself to Him…than to be saved through a religion founded by Man.

:juggle::juggle::juggle:

The salvation is not through a religion founded by man, but by my belief in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour…Romans 10:9-10 I just go by the book…The Bible…inspirered by the Holy Ghost. I think that is all I need.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

I saw this priest handing an inmate a copy of “The Shack,” and was curious, as I didn’t think the catholics would read it. Then someone on this thread, or another one, echoed the priest’s words about it being required reading.No fiction ever. huh? Not even in grade school? 'The Shack," has inspired people from all walks of life, some like it others hate it, still others are scratching their heads:thumbsup:

Sad, just sad.