Yes, i notice this in the english Creed. it was never my understanding in the translation of latin. we say He descended to the mansion of the dead.
Leslie,
With the authority that Jesus gave the Church ( “binding and loosing” ), it has a perfect right to do so. Not eating meat on Friday is both a means of fast and discipline. Vatican II
Although the story is not true, it is based on real events that happened in Mr. Youn’s life. Many have been beguiled by the representation of God as a large, happy, compassionate black woman, who is always singing, and cooking! And they say that Mr. Young is attempting to redefine the Godhead(???). I asked somebody who was having trouble getting past the author’s depiction of god as a black woman this question:" Would you ever have told your children, that Santa Claus was black?" “Heck no,” they reply! “Why not,” I ask? Because he wasn’t," they reply. "How do you know, he wasn’t/isnt?"End of discussion
Bottom line is; it’s about who God is, not what He is! The author ties up all the loose ends at the end, and you can go to www.shackbook.com, join an interactive chat group, and get answers to all questions you might have
Now come on Leslie whats it gonna be?
Now, I do believe in intercessory prayer, and sharing praise reports about confessing and repenting of sins, with fellow Christians! I have shared with others about how I finally came to confess about a sin, anumber of years after it happened! and regardless of what you think of “The Shack,” the Saviour that he portrays in this book, is one that more of us Christians need to know. We are friends of god, and can approach the throneroom, because of Christ’s finished work on the Cross:thumbsup:If you wind up reading “The Shack,” please do do with an open mind! If a fictional book can challenge your faith, and make you angry, then I would look inward, and see what the condition of my faith wasNow now my little kitten I did not say that. I said that the Priest has the power given to him THRU GOD. Its like I am not your boss okay, so your boss tells me that I can be your boss today. Now I have the authority today. Now I did not replace your boss I am just filling in, Thats what Priests do.rinnie: Let me applaud you:thumbsup:for your steadfastness in believing in the notion that James 5:14-16, and John 20:22-23, justify [SIGN]visiting a priest for forgiveness of sins, rather than going directly to the Father([/SIGN]God), 1John 1:9! Even if it were true about mortal men were able to forgive sins, why would we feel compelled to go? To me there is no glory in telling a complete stranger my deepest, darkest sins
I pray for Grace every single day. Sooner or later Gods gonna get tired of me and give in
I would never tell you(and I never have) or anyone else not to go to a priest for confession! I have been going directly to my Father(God), through Jesus, my mediator for over 42 years, now, and do feel more confident, and secure in confessing my sins to Him:thumbsup
1John 1:9). And no matter how you dress it up, sweetie, you can’t make the Him in 1John 1:9, a priest! Anyway,let’s don’t let this issue divide us or make it uncomfortable to be in this forum And as far as the book is concerned, it is a fictional book, but I like the way the author talks about forgiveness, relationships, and the trinity
Mind you, this is not the authoritative book on God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit; but it is interesting! If you have difficulty dealing with anything in the book, go to www.shackbook.com! Love ya, kid:thumbsup:1beleevrJohn Ch.20rinnie: God bless you, my sweet sister in Christ! Actually, the bottom line is this: you believe that priests have the authority to forgive sins(God’s domain), and I believe that the jury is still out on this issue
Hmm… the majority of protestant versions I see say CONFESS… this quote here is from my own KJV… you cannot translate away the true meaning of this verse, 1beleevr. Sorry if that doesn’t fit with your agenda, but anybody can use random bible quotes to say what they want to say. Even Satan has scripture memorized for the word.
And how sure are you, that John 2:22-23 means that jesus is telling US to go to a priest for confession? And as for “The Shack,” don’t get your panties in a bunch; I would never say that this book trumps the Bible, or is an authoritative breakdown on the Godhead, or anything else for that matter! Remember, if you would have read the previous post s-l-o-w-l-y, you would have noticed that I told rinnie it was a F-I-C-T-I-O-N-A-L book You do know what fiction is, right? God bless you, my brother in Christ!
Hi 1beleevr… glad to talk to you again…ljubim: It ia equally astounding how catholics continue to insist that ALL of us should go to a priest for confession, based on a few carefully chosen verses from the Bible! Years ago, when i asked a catholic friend why he had to go to confession, he said," it’s in the Bible." And who is the HE in 1John 1:9? Or the “one another”, in James 5 14-16? You can’t dress it up to make it fit your agenda, any more than I can to make it fit mine; so suck it up, put on your big boy pants, and realize that there are Christians out there who don’t feel the NEED to go to a priest
I know that people still refer to Old Testament docrines to justify things today, but the New Covenant ushered in a whole new way of thinking and doing things! Jesus even told His disciples to “turn the other cheek,” rather than go for, “an eye for an eye…”. I read 1 John 2:1-2, and was reassured that just like 1John 1:9, He is there to forgive and atone for my sins(like I deserve it!).Listen, there is absolutely nothing wrong with ANYONE confessing sins to a priest, but given our free will, there are a certain number of us who don’t feel the NEED! This is an issue that will never be resolved to everyone’s liking, but I admire the fortitude of catholics and others, who stand by their church’s teachings:thumbsup:And, I was looking at the title of this thread, and one entitled,“Do you agree that the Devil hates catholics more than any other religion?”, and was immediately reminded of 1Peter 4:12-19. And I thought to myself; why do people care what other PEOPLE think of them
I mean, crying out about catholic bashing, anticatholicism,etc., is ludicrous
How would you have liked going through the persecution that the disciples endured? Hey, you’re going to be mocked, laughed at, ignored, called names, etc., but as Peter says, you shoud consider it a privilege to suffer for Christ:thumbsup:What do you mean…whats it donna be?
That okay l bel. But some day the jury will come back in and you will agree with the decision. Until that day as long as I am still your favorite RC in the world it is okayrinnie: God bless you, my sweet sister in Christ! Actually, [SIGN]the bottom line is this: you believe that priests have the authority to forgive sins(God’s domain), and I believe that the jury is still out on this issue[/SIGN]
At best, you may say that IF one CHOOSES to go to a priest, and believes that the priest can forgive his sins, then, by all means go! With many of us, it’s the belief that man can forgive sins, and the lack of NEED! God bless you!
You mean gonna be. I was just asking Leslie because you said you were Catholic then you said you were not. I showed you where you said both is all.
just kidding. But what I would like to do is help you see Leslie where you missed so much of the RCC teaching if you were indeed Catholic. LIke I said I am not sure, if you are now by what you said.