Anti-Catholicism

[Prieldedi]

… The only example of Jesus doing something His mother asked was at the wedding when H turned water into wine, and He repremanded her by telling her it was not yet His time…It never happened again…

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This is the only RECORDED example of Mary asking Jesus.
We can’t know for sure if Mary asked or not other things from Jesus, which if She did, we can be sure from this “only example”, that He granted them to Her.

CORRECTION: Jesus DID NOT reprimand His mother.
Jesus followed all the Commandments, of which the Fourth says: “Honor your father and your mother.” How could Jesus reprimand Her just because She told Him that the newlyweds were out of wine? John 2:3, «the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”»

There is no way to conclude that Jesus’ words were harsh to His mother. If you believe they were, then you are saying that Jesus went against the Fourth Commandment, which is a sin, and Jesus DID NOT sin, right? See how easy is to fall in error from just reading the Bible? On the contrary, Jesus asked Her: “Woman, what do you want from me? My hour has not come yet.” [New Jerusalem Bible]
In other words He told Her: “Mother, ask me anything and I will grant it to you even though it is not my time yet.”

The term Jesus used, “woman”, is in reference to Genesis 3:15, and not by any chance in a derogatory way.
Genesis 3:15, “I will make you enemies, you and the woman, your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head and you will strike his heel.” This is God talking, the offspring that will crush the serpent’s head is Jesus, the “woman” is none other but Mary. Jesus was just quoting Scriptures at Cana, as he did countless of times.

God bless you

 

[Drawmack]

One styands out in my mind was the no eatting meat on Friday, under pain of Mortal sin…That changed…Just one that came to mind quickly

Actually, it didn’t change. Catholics were called to fast from meat on Fridays. Catholics are still supposed to fast on Fridays and it is preferred that they fast from meat. However, it is acknowledged that some people might not be giving anything up by fasting from meat (vegetarians for example) so the object of fasting can now be chosen by the Catholic. But, the fact that they are to fast on Friday remains. In my experience, most Catholics don’t even know this.

 

[Drawmack]

Yes the Father is God: the point being is the statement " i only can go to God is through Jesus!" Jesus is not God? please explain how can one get to God through God.

Is the doorway to your house, in fact, a part of your house? Do your enter your house through this doorway which is, in fact, a part of your house? So, do you not enter your house through your house? Look at that, and your house isn’t even omnipotent!

 

[Drawmack]

Again, in all charity, may I say that Protestants in proclaiming the Bible, proclaim the
passages that are supposed to be accepted literaly as only symbolic, and vice versa.
This is the danger and error of “sola scriptura”. The RCC which has assembled and provided the Bible ( of which a modified version is used by Protestants ) knows which is which and proclaims accordingly.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

This has absolutely nothing to do with the statement you are claiming to respond to. In all charity and kindness, please do not throw straw men at me I am allergic to logical fallacies.

 

[Drawmack]

Oh and the Protestant Church can’t? Do you even know what a Protestant is? By your response guess not. A protestatant is someone who Protests the teaching of the CC. Now would you like to change your answer? Or are you saying that Mormons obey the teachings of the CC. And I understand stand quite clear and agree with you that your faith was founded on a young man Joseph Smith. Mine was founded on Jesus Christ. Big difference.

For the second time, in this thread, the term Protestant comes from the Latin Protestae which means Proclaim as in Proclaim the Gospel. It does not mean those in protest of the Catholic Church. If it meant those in Protest of the Catholic Church then Muslims would be Protestant.

 

[Drawmack]

Sorry that is not correct there is a big difference between proclaim and protest. Please don’t take my word for it, look it up in the dictionary. And then please get back to me.

I got my understanding from the priest who, at the time, was the general secretary for interdenominational ecumenical affairs for the USCCB. How about if you do a little research and then get back to me!

 

[Drawmack]

Other than the Apocryphal books that the Catholic Bible has according to his writings and commentary Luther wanted at least 4 other books removed. The public out cry was so great that he relented and left them in.

that is correct, Luther accepted the reproof of the church, the church being the congregation of believers! See, it was not his sole authority. It is extremely disingenuous to claim that Luther acted on his own, and only his own, authority and at the same time point out that he accepted the reproof from his congregation of believers.

 

[rinnie]

Actually, it didn’t change. Catholics were called to fast from meat on Fridays. Catholics are still supposed to fast on Fridays and it is preferred that they fast from meat. However, it is acknowledged that some people might not be giving anything up by fasting from meat (vegetarians for example) so the object of fasting can now be chosen by the Catholic. But, the fact that they are to fast on Friday remains. In my experience, most Catholics don’t even know this.

Actually eating meat in Friday was a Church discipline. There is a big difference between a Church discipline and Church doctrine of the Faith. A teaching of the CC will and does never change. Disciplines can.

 

[rinnie]

that is correct, Luther accepted the reproof of the church, the church being the congregation of believers! See, it was not his sole authority. It is extremely disingenuous to claim that Luther acted on his own, and only his own, authority and at the same time point out that he accepted the reproof from his congregation of believers.

No actually he didn’t. Luther never obeyed the Church. If he did he would never have added to scripture. Luther added the word alone to romans 3:28. The word alone does not appear in the Greek text.

Luther moved the books the bible because he could not take them out. But he wanted to take them out. Luther had no autthority over the Church. That is why he left it. The Church would not and could not change the word of God to go by Luthers ideas or anyones elses.

 

[rinnie]

I got my understanding from the priest who, at the time, was the general secretary for interdenominational ecumenical affairs for the USCCB. How about if you do a little research and then get back to me!

Well do this look it up in the dictionary. But that is not where I got my answer. Who told me that any church that wasn’t Catholic came from a Roman Catholic Priest.

 

[Drawmack]

Actually eating meat in Friday was a Church discipline. There is a big difference between a Church discipline and Church doctrine of the Faith. A teaching of the CC will and does never change. Disciplines can.

I understand that, what I was pointing out is that fasting on Friday hadn’t been repealed as a discipline but that meat is no longer a required object.

 

[Drawmack]

No actually he didn’t. Luther never obeyed the Church. If he did he would never have added to scripture. Luther added the word alone to romans 3:28. The word alone does not appear in the Greek text.

Look at how I defined church in my post! Also note that I did not capitalize it. It was not reference to the Catholic Church as a reasonable reading of what I wrote will provide.

Luther moved the books the bible because he could not take them out. But he wanted to take them out. Luther had no autthority over the Church. That is why he left it. The Church would not and could not change the word of God to go by Luthers ideas or anyones elses.

Luther did not leave, he was kicked out! Luther wanted reform he did not want to start a new church he simply refused to bend the truth he found in the Bible which he believed the Catholic Church had strayed from. You are just one oblique and disingenuous assertion after another.

 

[Drawmack]

Well do this look it up in the dictionary. But that is not where I got my answer. Who told me that any church that wasn’t Catholic came from a Roman Catholic Priest.

I was speaking on the etymology of the word and explaining where it came from going back to the original Latin. I never said that protest and proclaim were synonyms, that was a straw man you decided to throw at me. When you’re ready to start reading what I actually write instead of proclaiming I said something I did not and then refuting something I never said I will continue to converse with you.

 

[Javl]

You out and out state that the only reason for a Christian to not be Catholic is ignorance as far as you are concerned, then you say that none are … You have already shut yourself off to the possibility that someone can know what the Catholic Church teaches and refuse to accept that teaching.

For 2000 years the teaching of the Catholic Church has been exactly what Jesus and the Apostles taught, and it cannot be proved otherwise By refusing to accept the Church’s
teaching you are refusing to accept the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[fbl9]

Is the doorway to your house, in fact, a part of your house? Do your enter your house through this doorway which is, in fact, a part of your house? So, do you not enter your house through your house? Look at that, and your house isn’t even omnipotent!

but the doorway is not the house. But Jesus is not a part of God but He is all God.

 

[Drawmack]

but the doorway is not the house. But Jesus is not a part of God but He is all God.

Exactly and that’s why it’s important that the house is not omnipotent but God is.

 

[Drawmack]

For 2000 years the teaching of the Catholic Church has been exactly what Jesus and the Apostles taught, and it cannot be proved otherwise By refusing to accept the Church’s
teaching you are refusing to accept the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Do you like ignoring what someone said and making a completely different point?

 

[GramdpaMunster]

Hey everyone. The more I look into the Catholic faith, the more I realize that people in general just don’t like it. All I’ve seen were extremes; you either love it or you hate it.

Since I joined this website I’ve learned that virtually everything I’ve heard about Catholicism is distorted. That having been said the church’s authoritarian structure lends itself to (unfounded) conspiracy theories. For example:

• The church is the whore of revalation
• The church was active in transporting Nazi war criminals from Europe to south America after WW 2 disquised as priests.
• 50% of the clery are sexual devients

Many protestant churches don’t lend themselves to conspiracty theories simply because each church is pretty much independant (like the Baptists and evangelicals you mentioned)

 

[rinnie]

I understand that, what I was pointing out is that fasting on Friday hadn’t been repealed as a discipline but that meat is no longer a required object.

Yes it is. You cannot eat meat on Friday during lent. And you cannot eat meat on Good Friday also.

 

[rinnie]

For the second time, in this thread, the term Protestant comes from the Latin Protestae which means Proclaim as in Proclaim the Gospel. It does not mean those in protest of the Catholic Church. If it meant those in Protest of the Catholic Church then Muslims would be Protestant.

No the word protestant came from the latin word protestatio

Pro- fort publicly
testari mean assert

From that word came protestant. A person who follows protestanism form of Christianity.

ANd we do agree on one thing Luther was indeed thrown out of the CC.