Anti-Catholics, why do they bother??

[Faustina]

cheddarsox:

That thing a previous poster said about maybe anti abortion is taken as anti protestant, that was pretty ugly. Why did you bother?

cheddar

I think you misunderstood what was being said. Read the post again.
Since there are some Protestants that support pro-choice (aka pro-abortion), a homily against abortion may be construed my some very liberal minded people as Anti-Protestant.
Our church has a “sister” relationship with a local United Methodist Church. We have joined together for many celebrations and charity workshops. Our most recent was building a house together for Habitat for Humanity.

 

[Philena]

Stephen K Ray has posted an excellent list for Catholics to ask Protestants here:
catholic-convert.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/Documents/QuestionsForBibleChristians.doc

Here is a sample:

Questions for “Bible Christians”
Thanks to David Palm for most of these questions

1. Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?

1. Other than the specific command to John to pen the Revelation, where did Jesus tell His apostles to write anything down and compile it into an authoritative book?

1. Where in the New Testament do the apostles tell future generations that the Christian faith will be based solely on a book?

1. some Protestants claim that Jesus condemned all oral tradition (e.g., Matt 15:3, 6; Mark 7:8 13). If so, why does He bind His listeners to oral tradition by telling them to obey the scribes and Pharisees when they “sit on Moses’ seat” (Matt 23:2)?

1. Some Protestants claim that St. Paul condemned all oral tradition (Col 2:8). If so, why does he tell the Thessalonians to “stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thes 2:15) and praises the Corinthians because they “hold firmly to the traditions” (1 Cor 11:2)?

(And why does the Protestant NIV change the word “tradition” to “teaching”?)

1. If the authors of the New Testament believed in sola Scriptura, why did they sometimes draw on oral Tradition as authoritative and as God’s Word (Matt 2:23; 23:2; 1 Cor 10:4; 1 Pet 3:19; Jude 9, 14 15)?

1. Where in the Bible is God’s Word restricted only to what is written down?

1. How do we know who wrote the books that we call Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Hebrews, and 1, 2, and 3 John?

1. On what authority, or on what principle, would we accept as Scripture books that we know were not written by one of the twelve apostles?

1. Where in the Bible do we find an inspired and infallible list of books that should belong in the Bible? (e.g., Is the Bible’s Table of Contents inspired?)

1. How do we know, from the Bible alone, that the individual books of the New Testament are inspired, even when they make no claim to be inspired?

1. How do we know, from the Bible alone, that the letters of St. Paul, who wrote to first-century congregations and individuals, are meant to be read by us as Scripture 2000 years later?

1. Where does the Bible claim to be the sole authority for Christians in matters of faith and morals?

 

[bridgebuilder]

Philena:

Stephen K Ray has posted an excellent list for Catholics to ask Protestants here:
catholic-convert.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/Documents/QuestionsForBibleChristians.doc

Here is a sample:

75% of the answers came while reading the questions and the rest were ones that can be answered relatively easilly.

I was looking however if the list that was malaigned is in fact true.

I do know for instance that the doctrine of the immaculate conception was ‘infallibly dogmatized’ just prior to the appearations at Lourdes. Are the other dates accurate?

I really don’t know.

 

[mark_a]

aurora77:

why is a protestant preacher talking to a protestant congregation about how misguided we are? Kind of like preaching to the choir!

It’s the encore of his performance. It’s the big crowd pleasing finish to his show. They can all feel good that the largest church on the planet is misled and that he, through his own interperetation of the Bible alone, is guiding them to all truth.

Ticks me off. People that are heaven bound due to the exclusion of others tick me off!!!

 

[Philena]

I do know for instance that the doctrine of the immaculate conception was ‘infallibly dogmatized’ just prior to the appearations at Lourdes. Are the other dates accurate?

Bridge, let’s take the questions one at a time. Actually, Lourdes came 4 years after Pope Pius IX declared the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

From my favorite website, Catholic Answers

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was officially defined by Pope Pius IX in 1854. When Fundamentalists claim that the doctrine was “invented” at this time, they misunderstand both the history of dogmas and what prompts the Church to issue, from time to time, definitive pronouncements regarding faith or morals. They are under the impression that no doctrine is believed until the pope or an ecumenical council issues a formal statement about it.

Actually, doctrines are defined formally only when there is a controversy that needs to be cleared up or when the magisterium (the Church in its office as teacher; cf. Matt. 28:18–20; 1 Tim. 3:15, 4:11) thinks the faithful can be helped by particular emphasis being drawn to some already-existing belief. The definition of the Immaculate Conception was prompted by the latter motive; it did not come about because there were widespread doubts about the doctrine. In fact, the Vatican was deluged with requests from people desiring the doctrine to be officially proclaimed. Pope Pius IX, who was highly devoted to the Blessed Virgin, hoped the definition would inspire others in their devotion to her.

 

[Protestante]

aurora77:

Well, Micheal, I guess my point was, I’ve never in my life heard a priest say, “OK, we’re going to talk about how bad the Baptists are.” (for an example) Why would these protestant preachers waste valuable teaching time, time they could be using to strengthen their faithful in the particular doctrine of their faith, to bash another religion?

Let me start of by saying first and foremost, I am not Anti-catholic. I don’t believe everything you do is correct, as most of you guys don’t believe everything I do is correct (Proof of that is this very thread ). However, I 'd just like to say at my church our Pastor has never taken time out of Church to preach against catholics. He organised a special night for that . Just kidding. He did however, organise a night so that Catholics and Protestants could meet however and work out differences in belief.

 

[Rhubarb]

Why do Anti-Islamics bother? It’s the same thing heard over and over again. I see so many Catholics on these forums say vicious, ungracious things about Islam. Why? Because they feel strongly that it is wrong. Well other people have the right to feel that strongly that Catholicism is wrong.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Protestante:

Let me start of by saying first and foremost, I am not Anti-catholic. I don’t believe everything you do is correct, as most of you guys don’t believe everything I do is correct (Proof of that is this very thread ). However, I 'd just like to say at my church our Pastor has never taken time out of Church to preach against catholics. He organised a special night for that . Just kidding. He did however, organise a night so that Catholics and Protestants could meet however and work out differences in belief.

The general message I had of Catholics is that they are just like us in most ways, but have had more man made doctrines and legalisms cast onto their shoulders than us by their church.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Rhubarb:

Why do Anti-Islamics bother? It’s the same thing heard over and over again. I see so many Catholics on these forums say vicious, ungracious things about Islam. Why? Because they feel strongly that it is wrong. Well other people have the right to feel that strongly that Catholicism is wrong.

Maybe they think you have been deceived by a religion they think is false, and feel concerned for your soul?

 

[aurora77]

Protestante:

Let me start of by saying first and foremost, I am not Anti-catholic. I don’t believe everything you do is correct, as most of you guys don’t believe everything I do is correct (Proof of that is this very thread ). However, I 'd just like to say at my church our Pastor has never taken time out of Church to preach against catholics. He organised a special night for that . Just kidding. He did however, organise a night so that Catholics and Protestants could meet however and work out differences in belief.

That’s wonderful–we really have so much more in common than we realize. We don’t all have to agree on every little detail, but a little more respect would be nice. I find, with the protestants I know in real life, that when we talk about religion, why we believe what we do, we come to a good understanding. We all need to work together for God’s kingdom, and the anti-anythings (whether it be anti-Catholic, anti-protestant, anti-Muslim, whatever) need to realize that.

 

[deb1]

Protestante:

Let me start of by saying first and foremost, I am not Anti-catholic. I don’t believe everything you do is correct, as most of you guys don’t believe everything I do is correct (Proof of that is this very thread ). However, I 'd just like to say at my church our Pastor has never taken time out of Church to preach against catholics. He organised a special night for that . Just kidding. He did however, organise a night so that Catholics and Protestants could meet however and work out differences in belief.

What kind of differences? Most of my friends are not Catholic and I still have much in common with them. I can’t imagine having a meeting to work out these differences in belief. We might discuss these things over coffee but they aren’t so great that I am going to formally attend a meeting just to discuss them.
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[Philena]

The general message I had of Catholics is that they are just like us in most ways, but have had more man made doctrines and legalisms cast onto their shoulders than us by their church.

When Protestants say things like this, it makes me wonder exactly what “man made doctrines and legalisms” they are referring to.

 

[MariaG]

Chris LaRock:

The general message I had of Catholics is that they are just like us in most ways, but have had more man made doctrines and legalisms cast onto their shoulders than us by their church.

Pretty please, start a new thread. You can’t make a statement like this without starting a new thread, (and inviting us to it ) to debate some of these “man mande doctrines and legalisms” that have been cast onto our shoulders!

Your comment has piqued the interest of us already!

God Bless,
Maria

 

[Trelow]

Philena:

When Protestants say things like this, it makes me wonder exactly what “man made doctrines and legalisms” they are referring to.

Sola scriptura & sola fide?

 

[mark_a]

Protestante:

However, I 'd just like to say at my church our Pastor has never taken time out of Church to preach against catholics. He organised a special night for that .

:bounce: :clapping:

That’s too cool!!!

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Pretty please, start a new thread. You can’t make a statement like this without starting a new thread, (and inviting us to it ) to debate some of these “man mande doctrines and legalisms” that have been cast onto our shoulders!

Your comment has piqued the interest of us already!

God Bless,
Maria

I didn’t say it was right. I just said that was the impression of Catholics I’ve seen.

 

[MariaG]

Chris LaRock:

I didn’t say it was right. I just said that was the impression of Catholics I’ve seen.

Actually, I know it is not right That is probably why you have so many of us wanting to discus all those “man-made” doctrines

I can’t promise for everyone, but I promise I’ll be nice!

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Fine, I’ll start a thread about the subject. But bear in mind, anything Catholics believe in that isn’t directly inspired from the bible originated with the verbal traditions of men. As I stated in the “Jesus’ brethren…” topic, Non-Catholics have a hard time understanding why these other sources should be trusted for doctrine.

 

[MariaG]

Chris LaRock:

Fine, I’ll start a thread about the subject. But bear in mind, anything Catholics believe in that isn’t directly inspired from the bible originated with the verbal traditions of men. As I stated in the “Jesus’ brethren…” topic, Non-Catholics have a hard time understanding why these other sources should be trusted for doctrine.

Was the new thread on the link you posted? If so, I could not load it. I have been looking here but haven’t seen anything yet. I’m looking forward to it

Maria

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I’ll start it once I’ve had time to research things first.