Anti-'gay' means you're a closet homosexual?

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The best lies are ones with some truth in them. There certainly is a kind of person who feels those SSA feelings, doesn’t want them and lashes out violently against those who are actively living the gay lifestyle.

But to try to paint everyone who opposes societal acceptance of homosexual behaviors as “in the closet” is as ignorant as characterizing all gays as limp wristed, lisp talkers. Stereotyping is rarely productive, regardless of who is guilty of it.
 
A 20/20 segment a few years ago revealed that the killers of Shepherd not only did not kill him b/c of his orientation, but that the homicidal pair were homosexual themselves.
If homosexuals ever knew how little we think about them, like never, except when it’s pushed in our faces, they’d be stunned. :yawn: Rob
 
I’m very anti-chocolate, it’s addictive and so good and fattening but yet so delicious, but does that make me a secret Dairy Milk bar?
 
That’s right that you shouldn’t judge or stereotype anyone. And the lisping part… I’ve even said that T.V. always portray gay men as men with a nasal sounding voice. The truth is, that has nothing to do with a person’s sexuality. So their voice isn’t tough and macho? Who cares?
Not everyone who is homo-phobic is “closet"gay.” But a lot of homo-phobic people seem to be afraid that they might become that way themselves. So they may struggle with the temptation themselves.
 
“Gay” is not the way a man talks. It’s how he lives.
 
I didn’t click the link but that’s an old argument. I heard it a ton back in college (early 90s). The ones espousing it in my classes took it so far to claim that if you just disagreed with them on any point whatsoever that was your latent homophobia shining through, which in turn meant you were gay. So if Dan said the sky was green and you claimed it was blue, you were a homosexual.
 
The study that WND (oof) is referring to doesn’t make anything close to the kind of sweeping generalization being implied here. While stereotyping is indeed an unproductive move in intelligent discourse, so is straw-manning.
 
Respectfully you don’t have to support gay sex or marriage. But I do think you have to accept gays and lesbians for who they are (WND does not and I’m greatly saddened that there are readers of that unjust and unloving publication among the good users of CAF. There’s a lot more loving and charitable Catholic publications out there that are not WND).

And what they’re talking about is actual bullying and gay bashing. We’re talking physical violence. That person is a closeted case.

As someone who is a homosexual I ask you you accept me as a brother in Christ, a person who is worthy of the same love and respect from God almighty, a person who has the same human dignity and who is worthy of your compassion.

Quite frankly I can’t think of anyone on here who wouldn’t agree with that. 😊
 
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Respectfully you don’t have to support gay sex or marriage. But I do think you have to accept gays and lesbians for who they are (WND does not and I’m greatly saddened that there are readers of that unjust and unloving publication among the good users of CAF. There’s a lot more loving and charitable Catholic publications out there that are not WND).

And what they’re talking about is actual bullying and gay bashing. We’re talking physical violence. That person is a closeted case.

As someone who is a homosexual I ask you you accept me as a brother in Christ, a person who is worthy of the same love and respect from God almighty, a person who has the same human dignity and who is worthy of your compassion.

Quite frankly I can’t think of anyone on here who wouldn’t agree with that. 😊
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  Wanna see bullying and bashing? Look at what happens to those who leave the lifestyle and discuss why they have done so. It's not pretty. And it's gays doing the eviscerating. 
 Look, all I can tell you is that when I stumble upon photos of gay "pride" parade participants, I feel revulsion and contempt toward those who care so little about children who may be in the vicinity. Nancy Pelosi once marched with a NAMBLA contingent just a few feet away. Don't tell me that the ultimate objective of the radicals is not to silence those who disagree, including entire churches. You, as a decent individual, should be on OUR side on the freedom of speech issue. Are you? :hmmm: Rob
 
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That’s right that you shouldn’t judge or stereotype anyone. And the lisping part… I’ve even said that T.V. always portray gay men as men with a nasal sounding voice. The truth is, that has nothing to do with a person’s sexuality. So their voice isn’t tough and macho? Who cares?
Not everyone who is homo-phobic is “closet"gay.” But a lot of homo-phobic people seem to be afraid that they might become that way themselves. So they may struggle with the temptation themselves.
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This is actually interesting. There are plenty of people at my school, being a University, who “found out” they were gay shortly after coming here. Strangely enough, they did not chose to talk with a lisp until afterwords. I find that kind of offensive, because I know several people who actually have real lisps who aren’t gay.

My point is, this isn’t just an issue of straight people thinking lisps make somebody gay and thus stereotyping, but apparently gay people themselves believe the same stereotype! Which is why some of them, particularly the young ones, chose to adopt it as a marker of their identification. It’s kind of silly if you ask me. I make no claims about whether somebody is born gay or chooses to be gay, but I can say with confidence that many gays do indeed chose a lot of their outward traits as a means of embracing their identity (forced lisping, feminine hand motions, feminine dressing, etc, none of which are born into these people but are entirely conscious decisions, which in reality have no dependence on one’s sexual orientation).
 
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Wanna see bullying and bashing? Look at what happens to those who leave the lifestyle and discuss why they have done so. It’s not pretty. And it’s gays doing the eviscerating.
Look, all I can tell you is that when I stumble upon photos of gay “pride” parade participants, I feel revulsion and contempt toward those who care so little about children who may be in the vicinity. Nancy Pelosi once marched with a NAMBLA contingent just a few feet away. Don’t tell me that the ultimate objective of the radicals is not to silence those who disagree, including entire churches. You, as a decent individual, should be on OUR side on the freedom of speech issue. Are you? :hmmm: Rob
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Not all gays live in a “lifestyle” its only a very public minority. I’m gay and I’m not living some lifestyle of sex, drugs, and pride parades.

Basically you’ve debased me down to a stereotype. You want to be an ex-gay? Fine! You’ll have no argument from me. But I will go to my grave that when I went to an ex-gay organization I came out my screwed up than when I went in. 😦

You don’t know every gay or lesbian to make your judgement. And this goes for everyone here. For each gay person you meet you have to judge them on the individual circumstances of their lives. Not every gay person out there is having sex or marching in pride parades! In fact I live like many heterosexuals do!

I can side with you on marriage and that’s about it. I am tired of people on here referring to gay people in derogatory manners because they lump me in there as well. No one gives me credit for being celibate. They assume I’m as sexually active as the rest of them.
 
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Not all gays live in a “lifestyle” its only a very public minority. I’m gay and I’m not living some lifestyle of sex, drugs, and pride parades.

Basically you’ve debased me down to a stereotype. You want to be an ex-gay? Fine! You’ll have no argument from me. But I will go to my grave that when I went to an ex-gay organization I came out my screwed up than when I went in. 😦

You don’t know every gay or lesbian to make your judgement. And this goes for everyone here. For each gay person you meet you have to judge them on the individual circumstances of their lives. Not every gay person out there is having sex or marching in pride parades! In fact I live like many heterosexuals do!
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No one here would have an issue with a homosexual trying to live a chaste life.
 
of course it doesn’t mean that, and you know it. There are so many stereotypes and hasty generalizations about this topic. A lot of people on here judge all homosexual/bisexual people by the most conspicuous and politically militant among them; the pride people. There are some who wouldn’t be caught dead at a pride parade; they distance themselves as they don’t want their sexuality to be the defining feature of their lives. There are some who are not political or even obviously “gay”. There are gay men who are not effeminate and don’t have distinct mannerisms. Rock Hudson was more “macho” than leonardo Dicaprio and Hudson was gay. They are not a collective body with the same political aims.
 
i’m not anti-gay, just anti the gay agenda.

and Man o Man, I’m as hetero as you can get.🙂
 
It surely is the case, at times, especially within a culture that reviles homosexuality (Catholicism, Islam, many fundamentalist protestants, etc.)

Why? I suppose it’s similar to Stockholm Syndrome, or being an Uncle Tom: it’s a survival method. You’ve gotta blend in with “massa,” what better way to hide the fact that you’re a homosexual than to become the biggest, nastiest, most vicious homosexual hater you know?
 
I just skimmed through the comment section and there’s always seem to be liberals who have ample amount of time to “stir the pot.” I checked the profile of one and all his comments are on conservative websites. This happens on Breitbart.com, GayRepublican and another conservative website that slips my mind. I guess they want to hear both sides, or at least the side they think is stupid and fanatical… :confused::confused:
 
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