Anti-gay message in Catholic parish bulletin sparks outrage

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Phemie said:
I know a heck of a lot of regular Mass attenders who go by the “as long as they’re happy” motto and see absolutely nothing wrong with same sex relationships. For many it stems from their experience of young people who were rejected for their SSA and attempted suicide because of it.
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I understand, but would they really be shocked that a Catholic Priest, would write a letter in the bulletin, restating Church Teachings?
 
Because there is no Church teaching that says a person cannot go to a parade or festival. The pastor, as is his right, is adding his own (or possibly the direction of his Vicar of Clergy/Ordinary) interpretation, his own commentary beyond the teachings of the Church.

The Church tells us how to act toward those who suffer from homosexuality. The links are provided above. Beyond that, how we chose to shun or interact would best be determined by our own well formed consciences.
 
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Paul here is speaking to Timothy about people who were teaching heresy in the Parish at Ephesus.

I believe that the teaching of the Church, the Catechism and Bishops’ documents, have been referenced here many times.

What is in question is if Christians ought to go into the highways and byways, if we ought to go out to the peripheries or if we ought to stay ensconced in order to communicate to sinners that they are sinners.

There are people who go into the slums of Calcutta and bring love to those dying of unthinkable poverty, leprosy, AIDS, the sisters who were founded by St Mother Teresa. That one song from Mass that asks “will you kiss the leper clean”. St Fr Damien is one of my heroes, he did not stay where it was safe, he went and lived with the most feared people of all time. He refused to leave, and eventually he died from leprosy himself.

Not everyone is called to that sort of radical mission work, loving people who are considered the most unclean of all.

For those who are not, pray for those who are doing that work. Try to refrain from condemning their mission.
 
A couple of quick responses, then I’ll probably leave this alone for a while:
theCardinalbird said:
It is offensive to me because I just want to believe what i want to believe and not have other people’s ideologies imposed on me. Like the LGBTQ community, i just want to live my life. But how can i sit by when people are villainized for not agreeing with gay marriage? If I had it my way I would let everybody believe what they want (provided that they don’t hurt someone) without bigotry.

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And I get that and understand that. But when will they get off our backs and stop villainizing people who believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman? Respect for respect is all i am asking for. Is that wrong?
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Quoting one of my posts from about a week ago, based on my experience:
Most gays do not have a problem with you or other Catholics or conservative Christians having their beliefs and practicing their beliefs. Most gays are okay with you believing that they’re “sinners” and you believing that God intended marriage as between a man and a woman.

You know, most gays really expect very little from us. They’re not out to change your beliefs; they just want to live their lives in peace without being harassed, and they don’t want to be fired from their jobs or kicked out of their apartments.
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And on Pride parades:
adgloriam said:
@theCardinalbird from some pictures I saw of the last Canadian pride parades there were naked folks walking down the street - with children in the mix. If I’m not mistaken some of the Canadian pride festivals do push some strange limits. I’m pretty sure a “victimization” only assertion is very reductive -hence false by exageration, however well intended- although it does make for a strong rhetorical argument.

There are plenty of things wrong in several aspects of pride parades. Including the exaltation of sensuality, the promotion of promiscuity, and the commercial advertisement of venues catering to a culture of pick-ups if not prostitution. I’m pretty sure the list could go on, if we took an empirical look at what really happens at a pride parade…
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Again based on my experience, from another recent post:
Yeah, let’s look at some pictures from the Pride Parade in Boston this past weekend:

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No nudity or vulgarity.

There’s one picture of a male couple together, and some people might not agree with that, but no nudity or vulgarity.

It’s possible there were two people out of the 750,000 attendees who did something you wouldn’t want your kids to see.

And it’s also possible that if you take your kids to a sporting event they’ll see adult men getting drunk and swearing.
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Again, based on my experience. I’ve never been to a Pride parade and am going by the pictures of this one.

But I really think if there was all this nudity and vulgarity parents wouldn’t take their kids there.
 
I’m having a hard time comparing a physical ailment like leprosy, which is not a sin, to celebrating a homosexual lifestyle contrary to Catholic morals.

Also, using your words, how would I as an individual be able to “communicate to sinners that they are sinners” at a pride parade. Do you mean by striking up a conversation with a parade goer celebrating his lifestyle, what could I say to him to communicate that?
 
So-called “Pride” parades celebrate the homosexual lifestyle. Full stop. The priest was 100% right to warn his faithful to avoid such a venue.

Many in the Church today…including high-ranking clergy…want to do the impossible and change the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Creeping incrementalism is one of their favorite tactics.
 
I say this with love and respect. My understanding is we are not supposed to support a sin. My understanding, we are not supposed to attend homoseual weddings and events like that. Being this is a celebration of homosexuality I think it would fall under the same category.
 
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In the same way that I can be friendly with my neighbor who told me she is using contraception, the same way I can enjoy a BBQ with the neighbors on the other side who are in an irregular marriage, I can go to a park and listen to music and eat funnel cakes with gay people.
 
The problem is you would be eating funnel cakes that were made in celebration of homosexuality. It’s not like you’re being friendly with your neighbor to celebrate contraception, or (hopefully) not like you’re attending a barbecue in celebration of an irregular marriage.
 
As I said, it is apparent from this thread and from other articles online that not everyone is called to this ministry. That is okay, not everyone is called to do prison ministry, to foster/adopt children, to sing or to be a Catechist. We each have our ministry. But, again, please pray for those of us who are called that we will be the hands of feet of Christ to the most reviled among us.
 
I’m not quite sure about that. There’s no church law about parades and gatherings, sure. But we can’t support sin. So that means that you probably shouldn’t condone abortion by going to a pro-choice rally, or attend a pride parade where people are celebrating that they can/are having relationships with people of the same gender. Pride parades are NOT just about being gay. Anyone that believes that has never seen the signs so many people are holding at these things. So while parades aren’t church law we are to avoid celebrating same sex relationships. We can support our gay brothers and sisters in life without attending their same sex marriages or going to pride parades.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
In the same way that I can be friendly with my neighbor who told me she is using contraception, the same way I can enjoy a BBQ with the neighbors on the other side who are in an irregular marriage
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Unless it’s a parade for contraceptives or irregular marriages then it is not really the same.
 
TheLittleLady said:
As I said, it is apparent from this thread and from other articles online that not everyone is called to this ministry.
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I very much doubt there is a “ministry” out there to support pride events, unless it was created under Fr James Martin.

Supporting pride events is overt support of homosexual lifestyle, homosexual behavior. It is saying it’s okay to have sex with a person of the same gender, it’s okay to marry a person of the same gender, it’s okay to be promiscuous, it’s okay to do any sexual act you want and shout from the roof tops that you are doing it.

That is a completely different thing than loving a gay friend or family member, being the person they can turn to, praying for them, helping them, loving them.

I have family members who are gay. I love them very much, they are family. One family member has made an attempt at marriage with another woman. I love this woman also. However I do not acknowledge their marriage (we choose to not speak of it). I call them good friends. I would not go a gay “wedding” or any other event that celebrates the lifestyle of these family members or friends.
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But, again, please pray for those of us who are called that we will be the hands of feet of Christ to the most reviled among us.
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The implication of this sentence is offensive. No one on this thread has said those who are homosexual do not deserve to be ministered to. No one on this thread has said homosexuals are hated or reviled. Many have told you this over & over, however since most disagree with your support of gay pride events, you color all of us with the same brush, making yourself out to be the lone savior of gay people everywhere.

Catholics may not support sinful behavior. Gay pride events promote sinful behavior. Using all logic & reasoning, we then cannot support gay pride events. Nothing in that statement tells us we must hate, revile, or oppress gay people, that is a leap you made.
 
theCardinalbird said:
If they accept everyone, why does the LGBTQ community sue, and demonize people who don’t agree with their idea of what marriage is? If they want us to stop telling others how to live their lives, then it doesn’t make sense that they would force people to bake cakes in recognition of what they think is right. If they dream of a society where no person tells another person how they can love, then they are dreaming of a society where no person tells another person how or what to believe. Which means that while they are free to believe and live how they want, they must allow others to have that freedom as well

Simply put, if they don’t want us to impose our morality on them, then they must not push their morality on us.
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I just wanted to point out the “LGBT community” hasn’t sued or demonized anyone. It’s only some individuals who might consider themselves to be part of the LGBT community who have done these things. But what some LGBT people do does not represent the whole LGBT community any more than the actions of some Catholics represent all Catholics. I would consider myself to be part of the LGBT community but I’ve never sued any Christian bakers or florists nor have any of the many gay people I know done so. The suit, for example, against Masterpiece Cakeshop was not brought by the “LGBT community,” it was brought by Dave Mullins and Charlie Craig, a gay couple, but they don’t represent all LGBT people or the whole “LGBT community” which is quite diverse. The Colorado Civil Rights Commission ruled against Masterpiece Cakeshop and the court of appeals upheld that ruling, but the Commission is not a part of the “LGBT community.”

When you keep referring to “they,” it’s not exactly clear who you’re referring to since the “gay community” is not a monolithic entity and there are all sorts of LGBT people: some are Christians, some are atheists, some are Republicans, some are Democrats, some are kind of conservative and some are more liberal, etc., etc.
 
Ok that’s a fair point to make, it’s not the whole LGBTQ community that sues or demonizes. It’s only some members. I still stand by my remarks that members of the LGBTQ community have demonized Catholics and other Christians who refuse to create cakes or advertise same sex marriages, or who openly disagree with same sex marriage
 
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