Anti-Mormonism.....

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Amazing how much these two religions have in common.

1 .Muhammad and Smith were both visited by an angel that delivered their books, the Book of Mormon and the Koran.
2. Both were given angelic visions
3. Both were told no true religion was to be found on earth outside of theirs.
4. Both claimed to have received the “restored” gospel that was taken from the earth.
5.Both wrote a book that was inspired by Angels; Gabriel, for Islam and Moroni/Nephi for Mormonism.
6. Both stated that the books were returned to heaven to be with God.
7. Both claim their own holy book to be the most correct book on the earth, with no error.
8. Both Muhammad and Smith claimed to be the prophet of the restoration.
9.Both claimed to be persecuted due to their faith.
10. Both were polygamists.
11.Both borrowed from paganism/polytheism. Muhammad incorporated that polytheistic moon god called “Allah” and “Allah’s three daughters” into Islam. Basically Muhammad chose Allah from within 350 known gods that were worshipped in Arabia and proclaimed the moon god to be the greatest and only God. Smith borrowed from a doctrine called “pyramidology,” from the Masons, and other magic systems.
12. Both received “after-the-fact corrective revelations” from God. Islam retracted the satanic verses and Mormonism retracted the divine order mandating polygamy.
13. Immediately after the deaths of Muhammad and Smith, a fight broke out among “faithful converts” as to who would succeed their deceased leaders.
14. Both groups were plunged into irreparable division that has endured ever since. Islam and Mormonism both have squabbles among themselves as to which is the one true splinter group of their prophet!
15.Muslims claim that Jesus and the Apostles were actually Muslims, not Jews. Mormons claim that they are actually Jews from lost tribes, such as Ephraim.

Everyone wants to be the Original, but there can only be one Original.
All the rest are just a copy.
 
oh and there is a challenge for Mormons on

Jesus as prophet
 
Antimormonism is not about debating doctrine. Rather it is about attitude and intent. I can gleam from newspapers articles from the middle 1800’s antimormon sentiment, stirring up the population against the Mormons. These articles were very strong articles opposing the mormons when they migrated to Utah. And this is antimormonism. When a group of people fire up hatred against a group of people who wish to live and breathe according to their own conscienceness in peace and freedom.
 
why_me said:
When a group of people fire up hatred against a group of people who wish to live and breathe according to their own conscienceness in peace and freedom.
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Perhaps if Mormons would follow those words, particularly in their relationship with American Indians and Catholics, there would be much less anti-Mormonism. Mormons tend to try to impose their culture on others, to be racist, to be judgmental, to think that only Mormons live in moral integrity, to hold people responsible for the “sins” of their ancestors, to explain human pain and suffering in terms of punishment for personal sin and sins of one’s ancestors, to be sexist, to be extremely homophobic, intolerant of other religions, to prefer their own kind when working in public service and schools, to be intolerant of truthful history, etc, etc, etc.

I judge you to not have many of those attributes, your friend Zerinus clearly has “Mormon personality disorder” Perhaps if Mormons (and their friends, the “Jacks”) would clean up their acts, there would be less anti-Mormonism. The incessant and intolerant prostelytization is only one aspect of the problem.

The Book of Mormon has been proven to be massively plaigirized form other sources, and the story it tells has been proven to be distant from real events. American Indians have been trying to say so for many years, but it without any effect, other than arousing Mormon anger, a peculiar irony in the face of that statement of yours. Mormons are in a panic to maintain what is left of their church and culture in the face of such evidence.

Mormons are infamous for statements about others that only reflect back on themselves. Take another look at that.
 
Jerusha said:
Perhaps if Mormons would follow those words, particularly in their relationship with American Indians and Catholics, there would be much less anti-Mormonism. Mormons tend to try to impose their culture on others, to be racist, to be judgmental, to think that only Mormons live in moral integrity, to hold people responsible for the “sins” of their ancestors, to explain human pain and suffering in terms of punishment for personal sin and sins of one’s ancestors, to be sexist, to be extremely homophobic, intolerant of other religions, to prefer their own kind when working in public service and schools, to be intolerant of truthful history, etc, etc, etc.
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This is rather judgemental of you to write in such a way. You cannot put a group in such a jar and call it so. Mormons come from diverse backgrounds, each with his or her own personality. I have never heard a mormon make an anti-catholic remark and as I have stated previously, on mormon sites, there would be no tolerance of speaking ill against other religions.

And if you look at your post, you seem to be writing from your own attitude and beliefs. And most likely, you would be the first to burn the mormons out in 1843. Less judgementalism is the answer to a peaceful community.
 
And it’s not judgmental to declare that someone would have committed murder if he had lived in 1843? You are the height of hypocrisy.
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“Mormons tend”, “I judge you to not have many of these attributes”, etc. I do not “put all Mormons in a jar and call it so”-- as you do not belong in that jar. I write from my own experiences, not attitudes and beliefs. If you would research Zerinus’s past posts, you would encounter quite a revelation. He definitely fits that stereotype.

As for what happened between 1840 and 1850, perhaps you might want to look at the other story. When I was taught in school that it was all about religious intolerance of polygamy, I just about choked at the lie. Perhaps you might do read Thomas Sharp’s writings writings more seriously. Dale has that at his Oliver Cowdry website.

I was always tolerant of LDS people, so long as I believed that they allowed me to live and breathe, comfortable with my own conscience and freedom. It was only when I found out that they were not that I became “anti-Mormon” . What happened in 1840 to 1850 was in the past, as it is for many non-Mormons with deep roots in that area.

If LDS people would leave me alone to live my own life, I would not be anti-Mormon. Unfortunately, given the number of people with “Mormon personality disorder”, that is an unrealistic dream.
 
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And it’s not judgmental to declare that someone would have committed murder if he had lived in 1843? You are the height of hypocrisy.
Paul
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The judgementalism in the post could be transported to that time in history. It is such comments that were also found in the newspapers at that time which led to hostility and intolerance against the lds. Not to mention for some among the general population.
 
Sure, Sharp was a hot-head, but given what was going on, and the unwillingness of Gov. Ford to deal with the situation, there was justification. It only escalated. The death of Joseph Smith was a better outcome than other possible scenarios. Sharp consistently pleaded for rationality because of the innocent women and children in the Mormon settlements.

DANITES, DANITES, DANITES. Need I say it more?
 
Jerusha said:
As for what happened between 1840 and 1850, perhaps you might want to look at the other story. When I was taught in school that it was all about religious intolerance of polygamy, I just about choked at the lie. Perhaps you might do read Thomas Sharp’s writings writings more seriously. Dale has that at his Oliver Cowdry website.
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I know Dale from the internet. We have tangled with eachother on the mormonapologetics site. He is a good guy. But I cannot say that he has left the fold. He was never lds but he was rlds. And I do believe that he is thinking of joining the lds (long shot) or establishing a RLDS branch if it were possible.

He has interesting material on his website and he deserves much credit. However, his theory about the book of mormon lacks foundation but he does have good hypothetical illustrations what could be, should be or would be, if…
 
Jerusha said:
He is a sweetheart. 🙂
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Well, he did bother me off at times especially in the beginning. He put together a nice package in his posts and I did challenge him. Perhaps you were a lurker on the mormonapologetics site but if I remember correctly, you may have posted as a catholic under a different user name. I remember a past post on this forum where I think that you said so.

Yea, Uncle Dale is a favorite on that board. It was quite a surprise to read his latest post about joining the lds but I wasn’t sure to take it seriously. Who knows…🤷
 
why_me said:
It began from the beginning of the lds church’s existence. And it spread like a fungus. A merciful heart was not to be found. Thus, the persecution.

I am reading the Diary of St. Faustina and I am almost finished. Think on the Divine Mercy…for a moment…and what happened to the early mormons and to JS from the beginning of the church’s foundation.
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since the beginning of the church’s foundation? Like the hearty foundation of Joseph Smith and his accomplices starting a bank that they prophesied to one day be the ‘largest bank in the world’, and it collapsed 21 days later having squandered thousands and thousands of other peoples dollars and vanishing from the state when the feds came?

They took advantage of the people who believed he was a prophet! These people believed him and he lost their money and ran.

Maybe due to this they were ‘burned’ out by the secular and religious alike. I would be mad if Bank of America went and used my money and then collapsed in on themselves after having told me they were prophets who knew they would be successful. Do not get me wrong this is not compassion or ‘right’ but people were probably pretty mad. Again, not justifying what they did. But, you can’t rip people off and then when they get upset call it persecution. Like someone else said, You can’t have that cake and eat it too.
 
cascherman said:
since the beginning of the church’s foundation? Like the hearty foundation of Joseph Smith and his accomplices starting a bank that they prophesied to one day be the ‘largest bank in the world’, and it collapsed 21 days later having squandered thousands and thousands of other peoples dollars and vanishing from the state when the feds came?

They took advantage of the people who believed he was a prophet! These people believed him and he lost their money and ran.

Maybe due to this they were ‘burned’ out by the secular and religious alike. I would be mad if Bank of America went and used my money and then collapsed in on themselves after having told me they were prophets who knew they would be successful. Do not get me wrong this is not compassion or ‘right’ but people were probably pretty mad. Again, not justifying what they did. But, you can’t rip people off and then when they get upset call it persecution. Like someone else said, You can’t have that cake and eat it too.
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Hardly. Joseph Smith was not a very successful businessman. When he died his estate was insolvent. He had no money. To read more about Joseph Smith you can read Richard Bushman’s JS biography ‘Rough Stone Rolling’ published in paperback only recently by Knopf. At the moment, you are spouting off the same antimormon rhetoric of your forebearers.
 
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