Anti-Mornonism in the email from Catholic Answers!

[why_me]

You only question the intent of it because you are promorman to the hilt. I have spent many months observing these forums and have never seen you engage in any defense of Cthaolic faith with the fundamentalists or moslems. Maybe I missed that. If I have mischaracterized you then show me in what way by pointing to any defense of Catholic faith with the likes of whatisthetruth or other fundamentalist who comes here for the same reason you do, which is to promote a sect.

It is hard to defend the catholic faith against the protestants and muslims because there is so much to defend about mormonism on this forum. If people would back off the lds for a month, I may find myself defending the catholic faith. But it seems that no one calls for a truce between the two faiths on this section of the forum.

What to do? Now if the catholic zealots would spend the same time they do bashing the SDA’s as they do the mormon church, I am sure that my time would be freed up nicely.

 

[why_me]

WhyMe,

If your email said the same thing and you were concerned or questioned its authenticity … why would you not contact Karl Keating directy and discuss it with him? …

It seems bad form to start a thread here about this without contacting Karl directly … especially since Karl is accessable and a ‘known’ entity here at CAF … it is not like discussing an email received from someone unknown and for whom you have no method of contact …

Because more than one person confirmed that the letter was sent. Also, what better way to expose a fraud then to post it here on this forum?

And so far, no moderator has confirmed or unconfirmed the message that was sent out.

 

[J_C]

It is hard to defend the catholic faith against the protestants and muslims because there is so much to defend about mormonism on this forum. If people would back off the lds for a month, I may find myself defending the catholic faith. But it seems that no one calls for a truce between the two faiths on this section of the forum.

What to do? Now if the catholic zealots would spend the same time they do bashing the SDA’s as they do the mormon church, I am sure that my time would be freed up nicely.

well then may i suggest that you take a leave of absence from being the king defender of mormon religion, leave that task for paul G zerinus and tomnosser since they are very capable and doesn’t hide themselves behind a loveydovey lets all just get along mask. He can take over for you while you go do battle with the fundamentalists and moslems for a month or so. I personally would be very interested to see you do that! Then you would have some credibility here as one who really walks an honest fence between the two irreconcilable religions.

 

[iamrefreshed]

As you are a mormon I can understand your attitude.

I wonder what you think about the morman who knocks on my door to tell me I’m wrong in my faith?

Sorry, the sword cuts both ways.

 

[Mirdath]

I wonder what you think about the morman who knocks on my door to tell me I’m wrong in my faith?

Sorry, the sword cuts both ways.

Does the missionary at your door call your faith a danger or a ‘threat’? Does he tell you ‘Think the Catholics are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think again.’ as if at any moment you’ll all strip naked and claim the United States in the name of the pope?

This is way over the line.

 

[twosweetgirls]

I’ve not received correspondence like this, either via e-mail or regular post.

Can a moderator clarify that YES, for sure, Catholic Answers and Karl Keating DID send this? Because if CA or Mr. Keating didn’t send this, then someone’s taking advantage of CA and Mr. Keating’s name for their own benefit.

 

[RAR]

Does the missionary at your door call your faith a danger or a ‘threat’? Does he tell you ‘Think the Catholics are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think again.’ as if at any moment you’ll all strip naked and claim the United States in the name of the pope?

This is way over the line.

I can’t help but chime in.

This has not yet been positively corroborated, but remember… the early church did not hesitate to combat heresy.

Honestly, I’m not trying to hurt anyones feelings here or be inflammatory, but the church has an obligation (as demonstrated throughout history) to preserve it’s doctrines and teaching from error. By definition as pertaining to Christianity, LDS doctrine is heretical.

Those of you who are sincerely LDS - wouldn’t it be uncharitable to let false teaching creep into your church after such an event as proclaimed by Joseph Smith in the Restoration?

This has in fact been long in coming (if it is true). In fact, if the Church herself had come out more strongly in America against this doctrine, untold souls may not have been misled.

RAR

 

[Mirdath]

Catholic Answers is not the Church, nor should it try to step into those shoes.

And the Church, fortunately, seems to have a much better sense of tact and diplomacy.

 

[YADA]

Because more than one person confirmed that the letter was sent. Also, what better way to expose a fraud then to post it here on this forum?

And so far, no moderator has confirmed or unconfirmed the message that was sent out.

But this reply does not answer the question as to why you did not contact Karl Keating directly if you take exception to the email. If what was asserted in the email was false then you should take that up with Karl directly before posting here …

And you seem to admit that mormonism is a different faith here

commonality between both faiths and not attack either.

Now I have many mormon friends and the mormon faith has many wonderful attributes …the sense of family, caring for members, responsiblity in supporting church and home … the mormons I have known are very nice and wonderful individuals!

However, I do subscribe to moral relavatism nor do I view all religions as equally the same … Truth cannot have multiple realities that counter each other …

Now it is a fact that Mormons actively go door to door to ‘convert’ christians and non-christians … Catholic Answers [it ppears from the email] is actively attempting to provide education to prevent uninformed cathlics from leaving the faith Jesus founded … how is that bad but sending missionaries out to knock on doors is not?

While the email as you posted it * seems dramatic [the red font adds to the drama … don’t know if that is in the original or your addition] most appeals for funds by non-profits [and yes political campaigns] use dramatic llanguage and heart tugging pictures and statistics to ‘grab’ your attention. Call it 5th Avenue advertising schtick… it works …

I also do not know if you edited the version posted…and on soe level I guess I do not care …

If religious affliation is so unimportant [you said you would defend catholicism] then why does the Mormon Church send out pairs of clean cut young men to ‘convert’ others to the church? Why does the mormon church baptize dead persons into the mormon faith?

I still maintain that if a person [known to me] sends me correspondence with which I take exception [purely on content - not threatening me in a personal manner or some other serious illegality] then I shoud address that person directly … I should not expect others to reply like the forum moderators, and not other members of the forum but the person whose name is on the letter …

No one here can speak for Karl Keating except Karl Keating.*

 

[why_me]

I can’t help but chime in.

This has not yet been positively corroborated, but remember… the early church did not hesitate to combat heresy.

Honestly, I’m not trying to hurt anyones feelings here or be inflammatory, but the church has an obligation (as demonstrated throughout history) to preserve it’s doctrines and teaching from error. By definition as pertaining to Christianity, LDS doctrine is heretical.

This has in fact been long in coming (if it is true). In fact, if the Church herself had come out more strongly in America against this doctrine, untold souls may not have been misled.

RAR

What is strange is that a year ago, a christian organization passed out DVD’s all over Utah and other mormon strongholds claiming that the lds religion was false. They put them on cars as these cars were parked in the church parking lot. Plus they were put on doorsteps.

It seems that it is open house on Mormons.

 

[RAR]

What is strange is that a year ago, a christian organization passed out DVD’s all over Utah and other mormon strongholds claiming that the lds religion was false. They put them on cars as these cars were parked in the church parking lot. Plus they were put on doorsteps.

It seems that it is open house on Mormons.

WhyMe, do you believe in objective truth? That there is an over-arching truth?

I admit that we might all be wrong, but we can’t all be right either… and I put my money on Jesus and His words.

I don’t have a problem with someone telling me that their church has the fullness of that objective truth… I just won’t agree with them. If the Mormon church is true as some would claim, there is nothing to fear from a little opposition.

RAR

 

[why_me]

But this reply does not answer the question as to why you did not contact Karl Keating directly if you take exception to the email. If what was asserted in the email was false then you should take that up with Karl directly before posting here …

I read the message on a different board and posted it here for verification. I have no idea who Mr. Keating is since his name was not part of the message.

And since no one has confirmed or unconfirmed the message on Catholic forums what can I say? But others have had the mail sent to their emails too. So, it must be true.

You can write to him and find out.

 

[majick275]

Does the missionary at your door call your faith a danger or a ‘threat’? Does he tell you ‘Think the Catholics are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think again.’ as if at any moment you’ll all strip naked and claim the United States in the name of the pope?

This is way over the line.

actually here is what the LDS scripture states that begins the missionary “discussions”:

• 18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” *

I think this to be just as forceful. I still haven’t got an answer from the LDS as to what specifically in the Nicene Creed makes it an “abomination” but then I am a professor of it so in LDs doctrine I must be corrupt. this is canonized scripture in the LDs church. if you want to see more detailed warnings against specific churches you can easily find them in the writings of LDS prophets and apostles. (although the methodists and presbyterians are called out in the LDS scriptures by name)

 

[YADA]

I read the message on a different board and posted it here for verification. I have no idea who Mr. Keating is since his name was not part of the message.

And since no one has confirmed or unconfirmed the message on Catholic forums what can I say? But others have had the mail sent to their emails too. So, it must be true.

You can write to him and find out.

Your initial post said

This is email is being spread by catholics. I have to feel sorry for these catholics who have lost their way from Chirst:

. This implies that you received the email or had first hand knowledge that catholics were indeed culpable in a spurious act. Now yousay that you just copied the post.

I have no reason to cantact Karl Keating and broach this topic. I neither recieved the EMAIL nor have any first hand knowledge of it. You are the one who is making accusations as if you were personally affronted …

Rumor and innuendo … so you posted something without knowing whether the presentation was 100% accurate [unedited] …

Well perhaps you should have contacted the person who posted the email on the other board …

As for this

What is strange is that a year ago, a christian organization passed out DVD’s all over Utah and other mormon strongholds claiming that the lds religion was false. They put them on cars as these cars were parked in the church parking lot. Plus they were put on doorsteps.

It seems that it is open house on Mormons.

This is a tactic used against catholics all the time. Novels [purported to be biographies by former priests and nuns] spewing false and defamatory information about the church are notorious and historical [Maria Monk and the like].

Tracts [pamphlets and even some made up as cartoons to appeal to kids- Jack Chick publishing for example] are left on door steps of catholic homes, cars in church parking lots and even left inside the church buidings. DVD’s, programs on radio stations and cable access TV are used to malign the catholic faith …

I do not know what the content of the DVD’s were, whether they dealt with theology accuarely or not … But I can understand your angst …

But can you understand that having your child answer the door to mormon missionaries who tell them that “catholicism is an error and mormonism is right” would inspire catholics to take action?

 

[Prince_Hal]

I would like to see if this is a genuine email or not. If Karl Keating is reading this thread, perhaps he could clarify, or Jimmy Akin or Father Sherpa. If so, they would be best placed to tell us its motives. Perhaps someone could phone into Catholic Answers Live, ask the quuestion and report back. i believe Jimmy Akin is on for 2 hours today.

God bless,

Hal.

 

[Zakuska]

I’ve not received correspondence like this, either via e-mail or regular post.

Can a moderator clarify that YES, for sure, Catholic Answers and Karl Keating DID send this? Because if CA or Mr. Keating didn’t send this, then someone’s taking advantage of CA and Mr. Keating’s name for their own benefit.

It’s quite easy to spoof a “FROM” address in an Email. However the EMail Header also contains the originating IP address etc. So… It might behoove us to check into that. before we make any rash decisions.

 

[Zakuska]

actually here is what the LDS scripture states that begins the missionary “discussions”:

• 18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” *

I think this to be just as forceful. I still haven’t got an answer from the LDS as to what specifically in the Nicene Creed makes it an “abomination” but then I am a professor of it so in LDs doctrine I must be corrupt. this is canonized scripture in the LDs church. if you want to see more detailed warnings against specific churches you can easily find them in the writings of LDS prophets and apostles. (although the methodists and presbyterians are called out in the LDS scriptures by name)

And most of Joseph Smiths own Family joined them too. JS almost did as well until he asked God.

 

[majick275]

actually there is reason to believe that JS was attempting to join as well after his marriage but was not allowed. Whether or not he actually asked God and whether or not God responded to him are both very debatable. there are multiple accounts of the “first vision” only one of which is in his own hand and none were published/promoted until MUCH later. we only have the second hand account of Joseph Smith to even claim such events happened. his character and veracity are both in question.

 

[Zakuska]

Yes there are Multiple accounts… just like there are Multiple contradicting accounts of Pauls vision as well. And as far as Character goes… I wouldn’t listen to any religious leader who hadn’t spent a little time behind bars.

Take a look at how many times early Christian leaders where thrown into Jail. Peters a self convicted Liar and fugitive from the Law. When one of the officers whom he assualted with the Sword the Lord told him to buy recognized him… he simply Lied.

 

[zerinus]

If mormans were so then they wouldn’t have their children on the streets promoting your sect. You wouldn’t be here defending the morman sect, and Zerinus would have a paying job.

Where is Ralph? Now if this is not a “jerky” comment I don’t know what else is. How shall I respond to this one Ralph?

zeirnus