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RC_Matt
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Andy dude, we don’t teach that we’ll practice the inquisition in the afterlife….
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zerinus
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Those who act in that way are for the most part Mormon apostates. They are not genuine Catholics. So don’t put that down to “Catholics”.
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PaulDupre
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So does that mean that Catholic apostates who become Mormons are not real Mormons?
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ibkc
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We’re getting an awesome level of honesty from zerinus tonight. Almost as if Joseph Smith himself were posting. 
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why_me
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This may be true but not totally. The apostates do influence the catholics on this board. But whether that influence is for the better or for the worse, I can not say. But they certainly have some incfluence and not all the anti mormon posts are from mormon apostates. Some are from cradle catholics or catholic converts.
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zerinus
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No, but they don’t turn around and attack the Catholic Church. I haven’t found one yet that does. If they did, I would equally disapprove of them.
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zerinus
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There is a big question mark over that one. You will find that even those who have been “cradle Catholics,” as you say, that attack Mormonism on this board, the great majority of them have had a major Mormon influence in their lives. Either they have been (or still are) married to one; or they have had a close family member convert; or they have lived in a Mormon community or neighborhood for a long time etc., that has brought them into very close contact with Mormons and Mormonism. That means that the Holy Ghost has had plenty of opportunity to witness to them that it is true—and they have rejected that testimony. That places them in the same condition spiritually as that of an apostate. When the Holy Ghost witness to someone that the Church is true, and he/she rejects that testimony, that places them more or less in the same situation as someone who has been a member and them apostatized from it. That is the underlying reason for their hatred of Mormonism.
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zerinus
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The calling of the missionaries is to preach repentance to people, not engage in deep theological debates. That was the focus of preaching in early Christianity:
Luke 24:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And that was also the focus of preaching among the Book of Mormon people:
Mosiah 25:
22 And thus, notwithstanding there being many churches they were all one church, yea, even the church of God; for there was nothing preached in all the churches except it were repentance and faith in God.
That does not mean that nothing else was preached at all. It means that the focus of their preaching was repentance and faith in God; or was intended to produce such an effect. This is also the focus of preaching by Latter-day Saints, by the commandment of the Lord:
D&C 6:
9 Say nothing but repentance unto this generation; keep my commandments, and assist to bring forth my work, according to my commandments, and you shall be blessed.
D&C 19:
31 And of tenets thou shalt not talk, but thou shalt declare repentance and faith on the Savior, and remission of sins by baptism, and by fire, yea, even the Holy Ghost.
D&C 63:
57 And again, verily I say unto you, those who desire in their hearts, in meekness, to warn sinners to repentance, let them be ordained unto this power.
58 For this is a day of warning, and not a day of many words. For I, the Lord, am not to be mocked in the last days.
D&C 124:
106 And in all his journeyings let him lift up his voice as with the sound of a trump, and warn the inhabitants of the earth to flee the wrath to come.
Our missionaries are humble servants of the Lord who have been commissioned by the Lord to preach the gospel of repentance and faith in the Savior to the inhabitants of the world. They are not there to debate and argue and dabble in deep theological discussions. They are there to “warn sinners unto repentance,” and “warn them to flee the wrath to come”. This is “a day of warning, and not a day of many words”. They have the companionship of the Holy Ghost with them, and their preaching carries that convincing power, notwithstanding their age and lack of experience. If some people do not want to heed their warnings, that is no skin off our nose. They are not there to argue with them. Their time is too valuable for that.
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RebeccaJ
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Preaching repentance and baptism to Christians?
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Jerusha
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Well, perhaps if you can convince them and everyone around them that they are absolutely the worst sinners in the world, and maybe-- just maybe that once they are baptized LDS the emotional abuse will stop.Preaching repentance and baptism to Christians?
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Jerusha
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'Becca-- not the specific “you”-- a general “you” aimed at Z and his friends.Well, perhaps if you can convince them and everyone around them that they are absolutely the worst sinners in the world, and maybe-- just maybe that once they are baptized LDS the emotional abuse will stop.
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zerinus
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Absolutely. Here is some more in case you wanted to know:Preaching repentance and baptism to Christians?
D&C 18:
14 Wherefore, you are called to cry repentance unto this people.
D&C 34:
4 And blessed are you because you have believed;
5 And more blessed are you because you are called of me to preach my gospel—
6 To lift up your voice as with the sound of a trump, both long and loud, and cry repentance unto a crooked and perverse generation, preparing the way of the Lord for his second coming.
D&C 36:
4 And now this calling and commandment give I unto you concerning all men—
5 That as many as shall come before my servants Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith, Jun., embracing this calling and commandment, shall be ordained and sent forth to preach the everlasting gospel among the nations—
6 Crying repentance, saying: Save yourselves from this untoward generation, and come forth out of the fire, hating even the garments spotted with the flesh.
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Eileen_T
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I will be forever grateful to the two young LDS missionaries who offered me a BoM to read. I prayed to the Holy Spirit for a week that if the teachings contained in that book were true, I would have a burning desire to read it.
When they returned a week later I handed them the unopened book and responded to the burning desire in my heart to find and worship the One True God.
I studied history and the writings on the Early Church Fathers. I looked at the evidence objectively, and I prayed for Divine guidance.
That is why I am a Catholic. That is my testimony. I reject the LDS claims of apostasy as false teaching and I pray that their eyes will be opened to the Truth as were mine.
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why_me
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Since you didn’t open the book, there would be no reason for the holy spirit to tell you otherwise. You needed to open the book and begin to read. Then ask with a sincere heart if what you read is true.
But first the book needed to be opened. So would say a mormon.
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why_me
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All christians worship the ONE true god. It is just that christians have different interpretations just what and who that god is.
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ibkc
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And then there’s the Mormons.All christians worship the ONE true god. It is just that christians have different interpretations just what and who that god is.
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majick275
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the Holy Spirit can warn you away from false teachings. so would say a catholic
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majick275
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many non-Christians think they worship the one true God. perhaps some do. you are right that the interpretation of who and what that God is varied. not so much amongst Christians but certainly with others.All christians worship the ONE true god. It is just that christians have different interpretations just what and who that god is.
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why_me
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I am just listening to the archived The Journey Home on EWTN. It seems that there were differences between between Luther and Calvin on who and what God is. Are they christians?
I know the mormons are.
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why_me
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I saw no warning, just praying to get a witness to open the book.
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