AntiCatholics Destroy Altar

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The Loughmans are both members of Flint Baptist Church but rarely attend, said the Rev. Billy Cagle, pastor.

He said he could recall seeing them at church only two times in 1½ years, once for a directory photo and once for worship.

Cagle said he and Flint Baptist are not anti-Catholic and the couple did not get their beliefs there. He said the Loughmans appear “real impressionable.”

Cagle called the Rev. Joe Culotta, pastor of Annunciation, on Monday to assure him of their concern.

“We wanted to make sure he knows that they did not get (their attitudes) from us,” Cagle said.

Hurtful act

Culotta said Cagle’s call touched him, and he appreciates the contact. Culotta said he does not harbor anger toward the four but is hurt. He said the most painful thing was the intentional breaking of the altar.

“We had just celebrated the Eucharist on it. . . . We felt violated,” he said.

The grown men who witnessed the altar breaking shed tears over that, not out of fear, he said.

The altar was made of marble left from a 1950s remodeling of a cathedral in Mobile, said parish officers. St. Ann, the original name of the Decatur parish, used the marble in several altar configurations and remodelings.

The altar has more sentimental and spiritual than monetary worth, Culotta said.

The pastor was impressed with how worshippers tried to reason peacefully with the intruders after they shouted and pushed over the altar.

“I was really proud of them,” he said.

The Catholic church does not worship idols but uses items as symbols of faith, said church leaders. They question how critics could judge what Catholics feel in their hearts when they use crosses or other symbols of Christianity in worship.

The four charged Sunday did not read a DAILY religion story published the previous day about relics at Annunciation, Wagner said.

When asked what church Turgeon would target next he replied there would be no further, “acts of destruction.” Wagner agreed.

“The only remorse I feel is that it had to come to this before anyone actually could see what they were doing,” Wagner said. “And they still don’t see it. It wasn’t intended to be like that, Mass desecration. We’re not doing anything like this again. We’re all very peaceful people. We didn’t intend to hurt anyone and no one was physically hurt. We made sure of this.”

What’s next?

Culotta said the church Pastoral Council decided Monday night to set up a security committee to form a plan in case of future incidents and to consider adding security cameras and making other changes. That recommendation came from police Chief Joel Gilliam, who attended the session. Gilliam said the incident seemed “contained” but cautioned against possible copycat crimes, the pastor said.

Culotta also said the church would send a letter to parishioners describing what happened and outlining steps being taken. He said the staff would contact Catholic Family Services in Huntsville to get help in counseling members, especially families with young children.

The pastor said he would have listening sessions after each Mass this weekend so people can talk about the incident.

The Rev. Pat Tierney of Tuscumbia, dean of the northwest area of the diocese, has called a meeting Thursday to ponder how churches might handle security differently, Culotta said.

Bishop David E. Foley will be at St. Ann Catholic School on Friday and at the church Saturday in celebration of the school’s 50th anniversary. Culotta said Foley would surely take the opportunity to reassure the school children, Culotta said.
 
If i was there i would have took him out side and introduced him to his own personal Armageddon,. Him and his Dog of a common law wife. Good grief, these hypocrites live togther in sin, no matter what denom you follow. The vatican should secretly send Spies into groups like these and deal with them in anyway they see fit
 
I don’t get some people. I suppose that by our government making monuments and statues for our founding fathers at the Capital, naming hospitals after them and a bridge, “The George Washington Bridge,” that must mean that this nation worships its founding fathers.
 
Very sad, all these things, it´s a pity the anticatholicism that would be so spreaded.
 
it was a sad thing… a hateful thing… but most of all, it was
a pitiable thing… these are people who are lost… have no
relationship with the Lord… of course we should be angry…
but, we should also remember that on the cross, the Lord
prayed ‘Father forgive them, they know not what they do’…

church police, or secret vatican spies to exact justice,
sounds more like something these people would do than
something Jesus would do…

it makes me angry too, and if they had come into St.
Patrick’s, i’d have probably done something i’d have later
regretted too… but, we need to remember that these things
will continue to happen… and the incidents will increase in
number, and probably in severity… we knew God’s church
would be persecuted… He told us so Himself…

pray for them, and for us all…

🙂
 
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Decatur police didn’t comment on whether they considered the actions a hate crime. Police said the investigation continues.
What, they have to THINK about it?!!! You’ve got to be kidding me?! Of course it’s a doggone hate crime! :mad:

Of course, if that had been a Jewish Synagogue or a Mosque, all the headlines would be reading “HATE CRIME”! Nobody would have to sit around and take time to think about it. :nope:
 
I was present during this desecration, and helped to remove these people from the sanctuary. We took them outside. I spent a fair amount of time talking to them. Very primitive fundamentalist stuff, strangely mixed with gnosticism (book of Thomas quotations).

The local community has been very supportive because our church is very much involved in the community. Thankfully both the Mayor of Decatur and the Chief of Police are parishioners!

It has been a good occasion for us to clarify in the local newspaper such misconceptions as Mary/ Saint worship etc.

Pray for the perpetrators! Perhaps we can get them into RCIA.

JMJ,

PWL
 
Good job, patricklappert.

I can’t tell you how proud I was to read the newspaper account that described your handling of the situation as civil and decent.

You reflected so well on us all. Thank you.
 
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patricklappert:
I was present during this desecration, and helped to remove these people from the sanctuary. We took them outside. I spent a fair amount of time talking to them. Very primitive fundamentalist stuff, strangely mixed with gnosticism (book of Thomas quotations).

The local community has been very supportive because our church is very much involved in the community. Thankfully both the Mayor of Decatur and the Chief of Police are parishioners!

It has been a good occasion for us to clarify in the local newspaper such misconceptions as Mary/ Saint worship etc.

Pray for the perpetrators! Perhaps we can get them into RCIA.

JMJ,

PWL
My heart goes out to your parish. I pray that all the parishioners but especially the children recover as well from this ordeal. God bless you for your attitudes of forgiveness. It is good to take this opportunity to educate the population in your area, well done!
 
You know…

This may be a perfect opportunity for the Church.

If when interviewed, the Church actively seeks that everyone forgive them as this is what Christ would do, it may cause a lot of people that think the church is nothing more than a mindless not christian faith to start seeing that we may very well be Christian (go figure). In our charity, we could quell some of the angry hearts…

Punishment?
  • Take an Anger Management/cultural sensitivity class
  • Take an extensive RCIA class…
Thats It.

It angers me that the media isnt calling this a hate crime. it angers me that it isnt even mentioned. But we should still hold to our values and turn this negative into a chance to share the faith…

in Christ
 
It’s sad those are some very confused people. Patrick I’m very heartened by the Church’s response and the fact that your church took this as an oportunity to explain our beliefs and practises nad witness. Thank you and thanks be to GOD… A prayer for your church and thanksgiving to God
 
If i was there i would have took him out side and introduced him to his own personal Armageddon,. Him and his Dog of a common law wife. Good grief, these hypocrites live togther in sin, no matter what denom you follow. The vatican should secretly send Spies into groups like these and deal with them in anyway they see fit
Let us forgive our enemies and do good to those who hate us. God have mercy on their souls, and grant us the grace needed to forgive. If we do not forgive neither shall we be forgiven.
 
On a somewhat perplexing side-note: as of now we have 33 posts and 333 views of this thread. Yet only one *non-Catholic * has (in a charitable manner, BTW), saw fit to comment. Where’s the outrage?

Could it be ambivalance ---- or even condonement by silence; an implicit attitude of “Well, I can kinda see the attacker’s point, though I myself wouldn’t have done it”? I really hope that isn’t the case.
 
It is very sad, and very scary that people behave this way.
I was outraged, and was about to post on it, but then I kept seeing all the “if this happened to someone else it would have been national news…” stuff.

Well, It has happened to UU churches, including an incident where shots were fired. And nope, no national news. Just passed through the denominational grapevine.

So, I sort of felt, that since people were enjoying the martyr bit, I wouldn’t rain on the parade by offering solace or anything that might mitigate the horror.Or let you know that others, way too many others have been through similar desecration of their holy places.

The truth is, injustice takes place all the time, and with frightening regularity against churches, and their members over issues of faith.

It is still not uncommon for black churches to be burned, or shots fired at the church during service. UU churches are vandalized because they are liberal. The list of wrongs go on and on. And it is all very sad, and should be spoken out against.

I am very sorry for your loss, and you are not alone in your persecution. Good people of God everywhere are suffering with you.

cheddar
 
That’s just ridiculous. I feel bad for those parishoners and the priest…and Christ, because he was in the building.
 
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patricklappert:
I was present during this desecration, and helped to remove these people from the sanctuary.
Patrick -

Your Parish will be in our prayers. Words escape me -

Kage
 
At least we’re not in Glasgow…
catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=2516

Glasgow, Nov. 22, 2004 (CNA) - According to a recent study carried out by the Crown Office in Scotland into prosecutions for religious bigotry since the passing of new anti-sectarianism legislation ni 2003, Catholics are by far the most likely victims of sectarian hostility, reports BBC News.

The Crown’s study of prosecutions in June to December 2003, showed that in 63% of cases of sectarian abuse, the victims were Catholic, compared with 29% of victims who were Protestants, 1% who were Jews and 1% who were Muslim.

108 of the 450 prosecutions for religious bigotry that took place during that time were included in the study, and 68 of those consisted of crimes against Catholics. 31 crimes against Protestants, and one each against Muslims and Jews.

"These figures are frankly appalling,” he said. “That at least one religiously-motivated offence should take place in Scotland every day is bad enough, that almost two thirds of such crimes are directed against the Catholic community who comprise just 17% of the population is both alarming and saddening.”
 
Hmmm, how to express this?

The reason the other thread was moved to begin with (by me) is that though apologetics deals with anti-Catholicism, this is really not an apologetics issue, but a news story about some really sadly messed up people who targeted a Catholic Church.

I am glad that you have all expressed charity towards them and that does the church proud, and I hope that someone will ask that a Mass be offered for them (at least).

My first instinct was to move this thread as well, but I think I’ll leave you guys here. Keep it charitable and postive (of course you will. 🙂 ) and God bless you all.

patricklappert, God bless you all there in Decatur. Our prayers are with you.

Matthew 5:10-16
10 Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: 12 Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you. 13 You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. 14 You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.

16 So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
 
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