antichrist

[JohnWilliams]

Yes but if read in context it say that the “lawless one” will be revealed. The use of will is futuristic. If the lawless one did in fact live in side us, then we in order to be saved and accept Christ, he would have to be revealed and we would have to detach ourselves from him so that we can accept Christ.

But as hard as we try we are still sinners. I do agree that repentance is the key to suppressing this “man”, inspired by Satan, the Son of Perdition (Judas in a narrow sense).

But since he has not yet been revealed, he could be in us because then we would know and he would already have been revealed.

He is increasingly revealed. How about the term “self-made man”. But the way he manifests himself most profoundly is when we judge other people, and particularly when we pretend to know God’s judgments on another.

Our society looks nothing like it did 50 years ago. When I was a kid Leave it to Beaver was a prime time show.

However, the apostasy must occur first and then he will be revealed.

If we have the eyes to see it. Look at the Episcopal post. How many Christian families sit down together for weekly Bible study let alone daily? For the first time in our history books on the occult etc. are outselling the Bible. Just turn on the TV, if you can’t spot a falling away you’re blind. Lots of folks that call themselves Christian don’t hesitate to bring shows like Desperate Housewives into their homes. CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT.

Since Paul was speaking of an apostasy in relation to the Church, and such has yet to happen, he will not be revealed, thus we do not know who he is. Because of this, you could not say he lives inside people, otherwise you would be revealing him.

I believe we have been decieved and can’t see the forest because we are busy looking for the trees.

It also says he will preform many signs and wonders, I think that would be impossible if he were simply inside of us.

I don’t know which ones you are referring to but if you want to discuss signs before the beast try a search for - miracles of islam - search.yahoo.com/search?p=miracles+of+islam&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

2 Thess. 2:7
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. But the one who restrains is to do so only for the present, until he is removed from the scene.

Now I do not refute the idea that there is an antichristian spirit. Because you are right, the antichrist is in people. But there is the antichrist who is an actual person.

Since the verses that include antichrist don’t support it, and the man of sin sits in God’s temple - us, how do you support this?

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[Image_of_God]

So what are you saying here, Image of God? That Sacramental Baptism is powerless against the spriti of the anti christ, or that participation in the Eucharist has no effect? For if what you say is true, baptism can eradicate the stain of original sin, but does not remove from the person this so called “lawless one”/ If so, no one could ever be in a true state of grace. What about the saints? Were their baptisms also in vain? Then what about the rite of exorcism? It is also powerless against your spirit of the anti christ?

No. I was saying that one has to consider that their are many antichrists. I am sorry, I phrased it wrong. There are many antichrists and there is the antichrist. Someone could become antichrist if they deny Christ, etc. Baptism is effective as well as the Eucharist. But there are people even after being baptize who continue to live lives that deny the kingdom of Christ. Anyone who opposes Christ is an antichrist. In baptism this spirit is removed and is replaced by the Holy Spirit. That is why I disagree with John’s belief. The antichrist and the Spirit could never exist in the temple at on time. Therefore if someone is the temple of God, as Paul puts it, there is one or the other. Antichrists are people, led by spirits that oppose Christ and his rule, it is only reasonable to call this an antichristian spirit.

 

[tequilamac]

But as hard as we try we are still sinners. I do agree that repentance is the key to suppressing this “man”, inspired by Satan, the Son of Perdition. He is increasingly revealed. How about the term “self-made man”. Our society looks nothing like it did 50 years ago. When I was a kid Leave it to Beaver was a prime time show. If we have the eyes to see it. Look at the Episcopal post. How many Christian families sit down together for weekly Bible study let alone daily? For the first time in our history books on the occult etc. are outselling the Bible. Just turn on the TV, if you can’t spot a falling away you’re blind. Lots of folks that call themselves Christian don’t hesitate to bring shows like Desperate Housewives into their homes. CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT. We have been decieved and can’t see the forest because we are busy looking elsewhere.I don’t know which ones you are referring to but if you want to discuss signs before the beast try a search for - miracles of islam - search.yahoo.com/search?p=miracles+of+islam&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

Since the verses that include antichrist don’t support it, and the man of sin sits in God’s temple - us, how do you support this?

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The man of sin sits in God’s Temple-us-- could you reword this to make sense to the rest of us? How does this man sit in us? What color is he? How big is he? Are you trying to tell us that we have people inside of us? This is the second time I’ve asked you to be more clear. You are making assertions about my religion using pyscho examples.

 

[tequilamac]

No. I was saying that one has to consider that their are many antichrists. I am sorry, I phrased it wrong. There are many antichrists and there is the antichrist. Someone could become antichrist if they deny Christ, etc. Baptism is effective as well as the Eucharist. But there are people even after being baptize who continue to live lives that deny the kingdom of Christ. Anyone who opposes Christ is an antichrist. In baptism this spirit is removed and is replaced by the Holy Spirit. That is why I disagree with John’s belief. The antichrist and the Spirit could never exist in the temple at on time. Therefore if someone is the temple of God, as Paul puts it, there is one or the other. Antichrists are people, led by spirits that oppose Christ and his rule, it is only reasonable to call this an antichristian spirit.

Thank you. for a moment there I thought you had completely cracked up. For all Catholics know the anti Christ is ineffective and ineffectual in the Real Presence of Christ. I guess while discussing things with John we have to be careful of our words. I still do not understand what he is talking about with this person inside of me. He makes it sound like we are inhabited by an entity that is a person rather than simply ourselves and our souls. But he will not explain.
And I have no idea what that has to do with calling God Father.

 

[tequilamac]

But as hard as we try we are still sinners. I do agree that repentance is the key to suppressing this “man”, inspired by Satan, the Son of Perdition (Judas in a narrow sense). He is increasingly revealed. How about the term “self-made man”. But the way he manifests himself most profoundly is when we judge other people, and particularly when we pretend to know God’s judgments on another.

Our society looks nothing like it did 50 years ago. When I was a kid Leave it to Beaver was a prime time show. If we have the eyes to see it. Look at the Episcopal post. How many Christian families sit down together for weekly Bible study let alone daily? For the first time in our history books on the occult etc. are outselling the Bible. Just turn on the TV, if you can’t spot a falling away you’re blind. Lots of folks that call themselves Christian don’t hesitate to bring shows like Desperate Housewives into their homes. CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT. I believe we have been decieved and can’t see the forest because we are busy looking for the trees.I don’t know which ones you are referring to but if you want to discuss signs before the beast try a search for - miracles of islam - search.yahoo.com/search?p=miracles+of+islam&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

Since the verses that include antichrist don’t support it, and the man of sin sits in God’s temple - us, how do you support this?

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universalunity.org/6.html

Is this one of those things where you get paid whenever anyone clicks on your links?

 

[inJESUS]

What about many anti-Christs and The anti-Christ?

possibility?

 

[dosdog]

The man of sin sits in God’s Temple-us-- could you reword this to make sense to the rest of us? How does this man sit in us? What color is he? How big is he? Are you trying to tell us that we have people inside of us? This is the second time I’ve asked you to be more clear. You are making assertions about my religion using pyscho examples.

Maccabees

(fl. 2nd century BC) Priestly family of Jews who organized a successful rebellion against Antiochus IV Epiphanes in Palestine and reconsecrated the defiled Temple of Jerusalem. The rebellion began under the leadership of the Jewish priest Mattathias after Antiochus sought to stamp out Judaism by forbidding all Jewish practices and desecrating the temple (167 BC). When Mattathias died (c. 166 BC), his son Judas Maccabaeus recaptured Jerusalem and reconsecrated the temple, an event celebrated in the holiday Hanukkah. After Judas’s death, the war continued intermittently under his brothers Jonathan and Simon. The Maccabees formed the Hasmonean dynasty.

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[inJESUS]

You are right! These are both right. The antichrist can be present in a persons’ heart, but in some contexts of the Bible it is noted as the “lawless one.” meaning a specific person.

sorry i didn’t see this reply !! so you are discussing the possibility of THE anti-Christ. Ok thank you

 

[Rebecca_New]

John 6:66-the only address in the Bible with the three 6’s.

“As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.”

 

[Image_of_God]

But as hard as we try we are still sinners. I do agree that repentance is the key to suppressing this “man”, inspired by Satan, the Son of Perdition (Judas in a narrow sense). He is increasingly revealed. How about the term “self-made man”. But the way he manifests himself most profoundly is when we judge other people, and particularly when we pretend to know God’s judgments on another.

Yes. He is being more revealed, but he has not be actually revealed as Paul indicates.

Our society looks nothing like it did 50 years ago. When I was a kid Leave it to Beaver was a prime time show. If we have the eyes to see it. Look at the Episcopal post. How many Christian families sit down together for weekly Bible study let alone daily? For the first time in our history books on the occult etc. are outselling the Bible. Just turn on the TV, if you can’t spot a falling away you’re blind. Lots of folks that call themselves Christian don’t hesitate to bring shows like Desperate Housewives into their homes. CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT. I believe we have been decieved and can’t see the forest because we are busy looking for the trees.I don’t know which ones you are referring to but if you want to discuss signs before the beast try a search for - miracles of islam - search.yahoo.com/search?p=miracles+of+islam&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

You should know that even though some Catholics do watch these shows, the Church has caution against it. Paul said that the lawless one will do signs.

Since the verses that include antichrist don’t support it, and the man of sin sits in God’s temple - us, how do you support this?

Please click on the following links to help this discussion along:
66619.org/thequran.htm
66619.org/
universalunity.org/6.html

Because uses the term “lawless one.” During much study, the Church has realized that this is the same meaning as the word antichrist. John is the only book that uses the term, yet similar things are said in Paul’s epistles using a different term. yet, by common sense, we know it is the same person. The chapter attributes the following to the antichrist:

He opposes God
He will be revealed
He is in the Temple of God
He will do signs and miracles
Something is restraining him
Christ will not come until he is revealed
He will not be revealed until after the apostasy

Since the apostasy has not occured yet, he could not be revealed. You could not claim to know where he is as a person because he has not yet been revealed. We know he is a person because he will do signs and miracles. We know he could not be yet, because something is holding him back.

 

[inJESUS]

ok so all agree that there are many anti-Christs. But John does not believe in THE anti-Christ. Catholics believe he’ll be revealed in the future…so why argue? John does not, so let the future answer…i see no reason for arguing.

 

[Image_of_God]

Thank you. for a moment there I thought you had completely cracked up. For all Catholics know the anti Christ is ineffective and ineffectual in the Real Presence of Christ. I guess while discussing things with John we have to be careful of our words. I still do not understand what he is talking about with this person inside of me. He makes it sound like we are inhabited by an entity that is a person rather than simply ourselves and our souls. But he will not explain.
And I have no idea what that has to do with calling God Father.

He is wrong if he says that baptized people contain this spirit, at least those who follow Christ. For how can someone who follows Christ have an antichristian spirit? It is impossible. The Holy Spirit and that spirit cannot coexist in the temple of a human body. The antichristian spirit takes control of those who let it. If we ask for help the Holy Spirit will certainly come to our aid. It is not a person as far as Catholic Teaching, it is a spirit that leads people to do things against Christ when they let it, like the Pharisees for example.
People can become antichrist, but the person of the antichrist does not live in them, there is only one of him. In other words the spirit of the antichrist is the flesh. I rebuke the idea that the antichrist is only a spirit and not an actual person.

 

[Image_of_God]

ok so all agree that there are many anti-Christs. But John does not believe in THE anti-Christ. Catholics believe he’ll be revealed in the future…so why argue? John does not, so let the future answer…i see no reason for arguing.

That is because Paul in the bible believes in THE antichrist. Anyone who does not believe in the truth may be fooled when he comes. The antichrist will come and do signs. Before this there will be a great apostasy. Because of what Paul say it seems that he is talking about a specific person rather than a spirit of a person.

Oh, you’re right, there is no need arguing. Jesus will crush the antichrist when he comes.

 

[inJESUS]

That is because Paul in the bible believes in THE antichrist. Anyone who does not believe in the truth may be fooled when he comes. The antichrist will come and do signs. Before this there will be a great apostasy. Because of what Paul say it seems that he is talking about a specific person rather than a spirit of a person.

Oh, you’re right, there is no need arguing. Jesus will crush the antichrist when he comes.

well i did not focus on the anti-Christ idea but it was always my understanding of scripture that it is a person.

What was his reference about Islam anyway? Muhammas is an anti-Christ as per Bible but he is not THE anti-Christ you are talking about. It is the Muslim Jesus Muslims await that fits for THE anti-Christ before Jesus’ return.

 

[dosdog]

well i did not focus on the anti-Christ idea but it was always my understanding of scripture that it is a person.

What was his reference about Islam anyway? Muhammas is an anti-Christ as per Bible but he is not THE anti-Christ you are talking about. It is the Muslim Jesus Muslims await that fits for THE anti-Christ before Jesus’ return.

After blasting the West and the United Nations during his speech at the U.N. General Assembly in New York, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad went on to once again call for the return of the Hidden Imam, also known as the Mahdi – Maitreya—the Islamic messiah who can only come into the world when chaos and bloodshed reign, and, according to Muslim beliefs, whose coming will herald the apocalypse.

I guess Islam did not get the note: HE LIVES IN LONDON

Mysteries of Maitreya
Benjamin Creme, tonight’s guest, first began presenting messages from Maitreya, the “World Teacher,” in public forums in 1977. He says that Maitreya had spent the last 2,000 years in a “body of light” at a retreat in the Himalayas, but has now resurrected in a physical form that he “self-created” and that he lives and works in London. Many of Maitreya’s messages are based around the idea of sharing and global cooperation.
According to Creme, Maitreya has the ability to appear and disappear at will, and has in fact materialized in gatherings around the world, where he takes on the form of a Messianic figure recognizable to that culture. Most notable was his appearance in Nairobi, Kenya in 1988 where he was said to be identified as “the Christ” in front of 6,000 people. There has been speculation, “They are ignorant, misinformed, and afraid,” Creme said of those who claim that Maitreya is the Antichrist. “They have never experienced his love and his humanity,” he continued. According to Creme, Maitreya is waiting to make himself known at the proper time, which he believes may be when the developed world has a major economic collapse. It’s “the only thing that will bring humanity face to face with reality…a burst in their economic security,” Creme said.
regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_regimechangeiran_archive.html
coasttocoastam.com/guests/115.html

 

[inJESUS]

mmmm Islamically the Mahdi is not Jesus.He comes before Jesus… If you read who is the Jesus Muslims await, you’ll realize it is the anti-christ because he will supposedly break “the cross” ( i.e the Christian symbol) + many other things that show he is the anti-Christ.

thx for the info about the Mahdi…i did not know these details before.

 

[inJESUS]

this is the Muslim Jesus Muslims await:

Abu Hurairah (ra) narrated, “The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: ‘There is no prophet between me and him, that is, ‘Isa, peace be upon him. He will descend (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah. Allah will cause to perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Dajjal and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.’” (Abu Dawud)

 

[dosdog]

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[tequilamac]

well i did not focus on the anti-Christ idea but it was always my understanding of scripture that it is a person.

What was his reference about Islam anyway? Muhammas is an anti-Christ as per Bible but he is not THE anti-Christ you are talking about. It is the Muslim Jesus Muslims await that fits for THE anti-Christ before Jesus’ return.

I really cannot follow his reasoning. Whether it be about lawless persons inside of us or Islam. Then a discussion of how catholics reconcile calling priests Father. My guess is that he is of an anti catholic fundamentalist form of Christianity and that he is trying his hand at evangelising Catholics. It does not seem he has a lot of experience and he has thrown a whole of differing ideas into one discussion sort of randomly so I am not sure what we are discussing at this time. He asked questions and left. Anyway, it appears to be more of the same old same old. He also left a bunch of links behind which also do not sem to follow any type of pattern.

I have a brother in law who acts like this. He thinks he is being wise when no one knows what he is talking about. But he is a JW.

 

[bella5110]

George Bush but the answer varies on the person being asked

Oh please…are we forgetting Hitler, stahlin etc…??