Antifa Mob Viciously Assaults Journalist Andy Ngo at Portland Rally

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Regular_Atheist . . .,
I imagine he anticipated this kind of response when he went to “document” those protests.
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Are you blaming the victim here?
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Andy Ngo mostly just writes slanderous right-wing junk articles about European cities having “no go zones” because of evil Muslims, or other such nonsense. He isn’t some innocent bystander, he’s explicitly far-right, and I imagine he anticipated this kind of response when he went to “document” those protests.
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Anticipated it, in the US???
US journalists almost never end up hospitalized covering US stories.

Or is it your intent to recognize that ANTIFA is a very different beast,
a group of fascists that don’t respect our rule of law?
 
I meant that you had written it in the context of the discussion about the attack on Ngo,; what I wrote indicated that you were applying it to Ngo, which I did not mean to do.

However, you did write it, and I do disagree with what you wrote and think you used the term agent provocateur wrong, and that no one from either side is justified in starting violence, and that includes violence that does no end in death.
 
Andy Ngo may have erred and again, may not have, in speaking about no-go zones, however, that is no reason to pillory him. This information is out there. Yes, the extreme right-wing press may report on this.

However, if one is talking about “grooming gangs”, “stabbings in London”, guess what? There is a problem.

If one is pointing out that a journalist made a mistake and none others ever do, perhaps, there is some swampland in Florida one can sell.
 
grotto said:
Just tell how you feel to Jesus - everything will be heard.
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Great thread, I"m not sure of the proselytizing point that has been brought up; but perhaps one should remember the point about not speaking ill of other religions as well. Let’s follow all the rules and not be selective as they say.

I’m still not questioning whether Andy Ngo said there are “no-go zones” in the UK, I do see some article by him saying Antifa and other could create no-go zones in the USA. I am not confirming he did, I am researching it but so what?

Have the BBC, has the NY Times never published a falsehood? Or been selective in what they publish? That’s common in journalism, There is a website that details errors or selective reporting by the BBC and I personally think the BBC and NY Times do 90% or better good reporting, that is separating the NY Times editorial page by the way.

People have the right to speak.

The dignity of a human being is all important.

Also, a journalist might interview someone who says there are “no-go zones” somewhere. The journalist doesn’t know personally perhaps. This is no big deal.
 
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Exactly! That anyone could defend the actions of these radicals is a real concern.
I just listened to a clip of the victim and that violent way he was assulted is beyond frightening!
Then I listened to a montage of the smarmy leftist media and their essentially explaining why these thugs were justified in their assault.Of course it’s all Trumps fault they say as well
 
dvdjs said:
Who are you suggesting defended the racists?
At the same time, why do you proclaim “exactly” about a claim of innocence on the part fo Trump supporters that has shown to be false?
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David Duke has proclaimed support for Tulsi Gabbard and Ilhan Omar. Looks like it goes both ways at this point. .
Also, back to the original article and this is nothing to do with the previous post I’m quoting, just saving space, there is some sort of organization for journalists and freedom of the press.

They detail and have a map of where journalists have a tougher time, say, Syria and Mexico, journalists have been killed.

Does one try to discredit Andy Ngo?

Are we headed towards a society where “beating up journalists” or worse is now accepted?

I’ve kept up at a minimum with Ngo, I have not found hate-mongering among his work, I found journalistic reporting so if one is trying to discredit him, I"m not buying it, I do not see him saying there are No-Go Zones in England beyond reporting as hundreds of journalists have done. Someone says something, he reports it like the AP, AFP, UPI, BBC, Reuters and so on.

Illustrated, Freedom of the Press:

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As said, there are “NGOs” that keep up with this, Freedom House is not who I was thinking of but they will do.
 
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Anticipated it, in the US???
US journalists almost never end up hospitalized covering US stories.
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Andy Ngo, in his career as a “journalist”, has spent all of his time creating a reputation as a bit of an Alt-Right figure, and has been critical of antifa throughout his “career.” People know who he is and what he believes. He was clearly there to denounce them.
Or is it your intent to recognize that ANTIFA is a very different beast,
a group of fascists that don’t respect our rule of law?
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I don’t think they’re fascists, but they definitely don’t respect the rule of law. That’s probably one of the more admirable things about them if anything.
 
I dunno… seems like if you can’t defend your beliefs with words and have to use violence, that there’s some sort of problem.
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I wasn’t necessarily saying that violence is good. The rule of law is dependant on the use of violence too - it’s not like they’re antithetical things.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Andy Ngo, in his career as a “journalist”, has spent all of his time creating a reputation as a bit of an Alt-Right figure, and has been critical of antifa throughout his “career.” People know who he is and what he believes. He was clearly there to denounce them.
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So if you don’t like Antifa, that makes you alt right ?!?!

He was reporting on them, their behavior speaks for itself when reported honestly.
Regular_Atheist said:
I don’t think they’re fascists, but they definitely don’t respect the rule of law. That’s probably one of the more admirable things about them if anything.
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So you are an anarchist yourself, good to know. Explains much.
 
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When have of any of this mob of plums ever been confronted with real fascists?
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I mean they were there to fight Proud Boys, who are certainly extremely far-right and dangerous.

I’m not really convinced that the only place fascism can ever exist is in the 1930s and 1940s, as you seem to be implying with the comment about your grandfather-in-law. Maybe the modern political developments we’re seeing aren’t strictly fascist, but they’re worrying. In regards to Andy Ngo, for example, lots of people take fears of “no go zones” or demographic displacement very seriously, and it’s hard to imagine that things like the Christchurch Shooting would happen without people spreading these ideas.
 
So if you don’t like Antifa, that makes you alt right ?!?!
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Obviously not, but Andy Ngo is Alt-Right and hates antifa, and he was known as such. He must have known what he was getting himself into. The narrative of him as some impartial journalist that got beaten up by a violent mob isn’t true.
He was reporting on them, their behavior speaks for itself when reported honestly.
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Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he expected it to happen. He’s made a lot of money out of it too.
So you are an anarchist yourself, good to know. Explains much.
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I’m not an anarchist. I’d call myself a communist or a Marxist perhaps.
 
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I mean they were there to fight Proud Boys, who are certainly extremely far-right and dangerous.
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Why? Why were they there to fight those punks who represent about 100 people in the country? Between Proud Boys and Antifa , it’s hard to determine which group is more fascist
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I’m not really convinced that the only place fascism can ever exist is in the 1930s and 1940s, as you seem to be implying with the comment about your grandfather-in-law.
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I agree. Portland saw two groups of them.
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it’s hard to imagine that things like the Christchurch Shooting would happen without people spreading these ideas.
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Antifa did more to spread those ideas by going to fight them. I’m speculating that that was precisely their goal.
As for Ngo, Antifa just turned him into a martyr, so to speak.
 
JonNC said:
As for Ngo, Antifa just turned him into a martyr, so to speak.
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How did it happen that the Antifa thugs just happened to bring fast-drying cement with them? Seems pretty clear to me they intended to assault someone from the outset. Maybe they knew Ngo would be there and had him targeted specifically, or maybe they just knew they were going to attack somebody physically and didn’t much care who.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
The rule of law is dependant on the use of violence too - it’s not like they’re antithetical things
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The rule of law is maintained in the extrene by violence, but the violence is authorized and overseen. That is a far cry from any ol’ body going out and beating people whose ideas they disagree with.

Also, simply being anti-Antifa does not make a person alt-right.
 
If we are getting down to guilt by association, there are some clear connections with some mass shooters to the left OR to hating Trump:

The Pittsburgh synagogue shooter hated Trump.

Also, a Colorado shooter is shown as having been a registered Democrat who liked Obama and disliked Trump strongly.

The Christchurch shooter has also been described as many things, one I believe as an Eco-Terrorist.

I see a link to a Jacksonville, FL shooter, hated Trump.

I won’t leave links per these persons above, one may find it themselves. I know here, some obscure links at times are not welcome or even ones that are a bit graphic, I did find a Daily Beast article on this as well.

I think the “demonization” of Andy Ngo is out of line, is he from the NorthWest? Does he not have a right to speak his mind? Report there? I looked at that Quillete or however it is called. I did not see any articles penned by Ngo that are out of line.

We are talking about basic respect for the dignity of the human being and a respect for the 1st amendment.

I am aware of various matters where may be a journalist has been disrespected in the past, perhaps at a Trump rally or something but this takes it to a whole new level really.
 
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