Anxiety will send me to hell!?!?!

[Christine85]

To me it actually sounds like the author of that website is correct from my point of view. People may not like it because it is so in your face, but what he spoke about all rings true for me and I will endeavor to correct myself.
Ps- he didn’t say anxiety will send you to hell, he wrote that self sabotaging to seek revenge will send you to hell, seems pretty true to me.

 

[teeboy]

I believe the symptoms are a result of sin.

Everyone suffers from some degree of anxiety at times.

 

[guanophore]

To me it actually sounds like the author of that website is correct from my point of view. People may not like it because it is so in your face, but what he spoke about all rings true for me and I will endeavor to correct myself.

Ps- he didn’t say anxiety will send you to hell, he wrote that self sabotaging to seek revenge will send you to hell, seems pretty true to me.

It is certainly the case from a Lacanian point of view, which is the tradition of psychology in which he was trained. He might have been more clear on that point, but it is incumbent upon the reader of web pages to exercise some literary criticism. Most sites reflect the opinon of their authors, and he has been pretty out there with his!

I believe the symptoms are a result of sin.

Everyone suffers from some degree of anxiety at times.

Anxiety can result from sin, but it is not necessarily. However, it never hurts to make a thorough examination of conscience and make a good confession. If this does not relieve the anxiety, then other methods can be pursued.

Perhaps the OP was so anxious by the time he got to the self sabotage part he could not focus?

 

[jimmy]

Psychological depth indeed. The depth of a puddle.

If you want to read works by an actual Catholic psychologist, read Fr. Benedict Groeschel.

Good point. He has a phd in clinical psych.

 

[jimmy]

LOL that is funny.

I love Fr. Groeschel and listen to him on Immaculate Heart Radio regularly, but he was trained in modern “evidence based” psychology, which has no use whatever for the soul in the study of science. His attitudes about psychology have been very biased by the system in which he was trained. He was taught not to believe in depth psychology at all!

That is a completely ignorant statement. Read some psych studies and learn the scientific process. I would trust the milgram study to explain people’s behavior before I would trust freud. Philosophy has its role, but it isn’t everything.

 

[guanophore]

That is a completely ignorant statement. Read some psych studies and learn the scientific process. I would trust the milgram study to explain people’s behavior before I would trust freud. Philosophy has its role, but it isn’t everything.

I am not discounting evidence based psychology, or the value of research in the scientific process. I am saying that the type of psychology in which Groeschel was trained already had the soul taken out of it. The reality of the soul is still marginalized or denied by the bulk of modern psychology training. The APA doesn’t even like to approve programs such as Laconian or Jungian studies. That is just the state of the field. And if you think about it, the OP’s situation is rather well explained by Freud’s castration anxiety theory.

Just because another’s perspective or experience is different from yours does not necessarily make it “ignorant”. Nore would it be accurate to say that depth psychology does not have as much to offer as modern learning theory.

 

[3DOCTORS]

To me, the quoted material from the website may be well-intentioned, and there’s definitely healing power in forgiveness, but IMO where Raymond drops the ball is in making too sweeping a statement that could be misconstrued.

Of course we don’t want to go around carrying grudges, and being vengeful is wrong. But our feelings and emotions take TIME to work through when we’re wounded. What helped me when I felt anger over others’ hurtful actions was my priest spiritual director at the time pointing out that even though I felt strongly tempted to revenge (more than I ever had in one case), because I had the will not to actually carry through and sin, and the will to come to forgiveness of the person, that was sufficient and the emotions would catch up. And he was right! Not only did the desire for revenge fade, I was able ultimately to see God’s hand in the whole matter working a greater purpose and protecting me from greater harm.

If you haven’t already, check out my CAF group where you will find many faithful Catholics helping one another deal with anxiety -

BE NOT AFRAID: Catholics Living With Anxiety Disorders: forums.catholic-questions.org/group.php?groupid=757

Also, take a break from that website, as others have suggested. It may have its merits, but maybe it just triggers your triggers. There are other resources. God bless!

 

[CopticChristian]

so I came across a site…chastitysf.com/depanx.htm

and it said something that has really freaked me out! I suffer from anxiety on a constant basis and now the website says this…

***Psychologically, locating and treating the unconscious final cause of the symptoms can be the most critical aspect of the treatment because it can have a curative effect on the other causes as well. Treating only the material cause, however—as if it were the rational and only cause—will leave the final cause untreated and free to continue exerting its harmful influence. In regard to depression and anxiety, the psychological treatment usually centers around unconscious feelings of anger and guilt and victimization.

From a Christian perspective, the root of anxiety is a lack of trust in God’s providence, such that, when facing the unknown, you worry endlessly about how to “figure it out” on your own. The root of depression is a lack of trust in God’s justice, such that when encountering any hurt or insult you fall into a desire to take matters into your own hands to get revenge, but, feeling helpless to overpower others, you turn your anger onto yourself as unconscious self-blame.

This means, therefore, that some persons cling with unconscious determination to a childlike desire to make their parents admit their mistakes. These persons use their own disability as evidence of their parents’ failures—evidence to be thrown back into their parents’ faces—and, in so doing, they effectively reject divine love for the savor of revenge.

“What?” you ask. “Revenge? That’s ridiculous. I don’t want revenge. I’m past that.”

Well, no one is “past” the capacity for self-deception, and only when you can be honest about your entanglement in the unconscious can you extricate yourself from it. So, if you truly were past revenge, you would do anything it takes—pay any price and overcome any fear—to be healed, and then you would turn to your parents and, as a gift of true love, offer to them your healing, as evidence that, despite all their mistakes, they really didn’t cripple you after all. But by continuing in your self-sabotaging behavior you show that you would prefer to send yourself to hell just to prove to someone how much he has hurt you. It’s simply impossible to open yourself to God’s healing grace until you let go of the secret hope that your own self-destruction will bring you the sweet satisfaction of . . . well, revenge.***

seriously!!! I can’t help what my subconcious does!

Ben,

Two things…

Anxiety is of many types see here…

webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide/mental-health-anxiety-disorders

next your conscious and subconscious are one although we speak of them as two…in your subconscious is stored memory and you cannot say that you are not responsible for stored memory…just accept that they are one. There are many ways to deal with anxiety however the first is determining the type.

You now have a choice. This choice is to seek advice from competent helpers. I now and again have anxiety and there are things you can do as follows…

Anxiety disorders cannot be prevented; however, there are some things you can do to control or lessen symptoms:

Stop or reduce consumption of products that contain caffeine, such as coffee, tea, cola, energy drinks, and chocolate.

Ask your doctor or pharmacist before taking any over-the-counter medicines or herbal remedies. Many contain chemicals that can increase anxiety symptoms.
Seek counseling and support after a traumatic or disturbing experience.

So, now, take control of what you can take control of and then look at the modalities to aid you…the site I provided you also talks about modalities and now you have another choice. Which will work for you…

How Are Anxiety Disorders Treated?

Fortunately, much progress has been made in the last two decades in the treatment of people with mental illnesses, including anxiety disorders. Although the exact treatment approach depends on the type of disorder, one or a combination of the following therapies may be used for most anxiety disorders:

Medication : Drugs used to reduce the symptoms of anxiety disorders include anti-depressants and anxiety-reducing drugs.

Psychotherapy : Psychotherapy (a type of counseling) addresses the emotional response to mental illness. It is a process in which trained mental health professionals help people by talking through strategies for understanding and dealing with their disorder.

Cognitive-behavioral therapy: People suffering from anxiety disorders often participate in this type of psychotherapy in which the person learns to recognize and change thought patterns and behaviors that lead to troublesome feelings.

Dietary and lifestyle changes

Relaxation therapy

Do what you can on your own, seek advice, pray, go to Church and stop fretting about our human condition…I have problems too…welcome to humanity…

 

[jimmy]

I am not discounting evidence based psychology, or the value of research in the scientific process. I am saying that the type of psychology in which Groeschel was trained already had the soul taken out of it. The reality of the soul is still marginalized or denied by the bulk of modern psychology training. The APA doesn’t even like to approve programs such as Laconian or Jungian studies. That is just the state of the field. And if you think about it, the OP’s situation is rather well explained by Freud’s castration anxiety theory.

Just because another’s perspective or experience is different from yours does not necessarily make it “ignorant”. Nore would it be accurate to say that depth psychology does not have as much to offer as modern learning theory.

Ok, I thought you were rejecting the scientific approach to psych. But I don’t see the problem with fr Groeschel’s education. He is a priest, so he has the basis for an understanding of the soul. He has studied philosophy and theology.

 

[guanophore]

Ok, I thought you were rejecting the scientific approach to psych. But I don’t see the problem with fr Groeschel’s education. He is a priest, so he has the basis for an understanding of the soul. He has studied philosophy and theology.

Yes of course, which is why I love listening to him, but when he talks about what he learned in his psychological training, by his own admission, it is pathetic with regard to the nature and purpose of the human soul.