Well, I’m not fond of medieval manliness either. I’m personally glad Miguel de Cervantes wrote Don Quixote. It’s a good expression of what I intensely dislike in the so-called ‘manliness’ of medieval chivalry.
I think the MLP ponies serve as toy examples for the virtues they represent, in much same manner as do similar cartoons with anthropomorphic animals (Care Bears). An older example is Aesop’s fables, where some of the stories have anthro animals and teach moral lessons. I guess when it comes to teaching children the virtues, animals (or talking vegetables) have a certain appeal. (Tolkien talked about “beast fables” where humans basically wore animal skins in the essay “On Fairy Stories.”)Although on further reflection, I’d actually appreciate some of the values if they took out the songs and the anthro element. (Yes MLP fans I’m aware that what I’m asking for is still considered major sacrilege but hey, I can’t help my tastes).
I never said they must follow the medieval form of manliness, but they should follow what a man is supposed to be, a protector of land, family, and blood. I don’t know why you have an issue with “knighthood”, or how a children’s show for females would be like real knighthood.Well, I’m not fond of medieval manliness either. I’m personally glad Miguel de Cervantes wrote Don Quixote. It’s a good expression of what I intensely dislike in the so-called ‘manliness’ of medieval chivalry.
Ironically, those same literary devices on knighthood are used in MLP as well. Hence, another reason why I don’t like it so much. There’s only so much sugar I can take… and with anthros to boot. BP
Yeah I get that. They’re just not my thing though and I don’t blame anyone else who still likes the genre.
You’ve never watched the show have you? Well, I haven’t directly but I’ve already been forced to endure it being watched by three other siblings on very loud speakers.
I just looked up both of those shows, and I’m a little shocked you could say Cardcaptor Sakura is moral… I found this on the wikipedia page for it:Yeah I get that. They’re just not my thing though and I don’t blame anyone else who still likes the genre.
In fact, when I think about it, I can actually appreciate cute stuff to an extent. I like chibis for instance:
I also liked watching stuff like Cardcaptor Sakura and Mirumo de Pon which is pretty much right up your alley when it comes teaching morals with cute stuff.
On the other hand, when you make something full of anthros like MLP, it just… stops.
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I see what you did there with the talking vegetables.
I tried to bare the first episode one time when a friend tried to show me it, I couldn’t bare it at all. I didn’t know “nerd” came to meant such things as you are making it out to be. For all proposes, I’m a highly technical person, who has fantasy related hobbies(along with ones that are intellectual in focus). By standards, the “nerd” anime thing is much newer compared to what I would be classed as by people.
That’s OK , I don’t mind if you don’t like MLP.I also liked watching stuff like Cardcaptor Sakura and Mirumo de Pon which is pretty much right up your alley when it comes teaching morals with cute stuff.
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I see what you did there with the talking vegetables.
I haven’t seen Mirumo de Pon, but I’ll check it out.You do know that by reacting like this, you’re falling for the second interpretation which only those who are disturbed to begin with and have a tendency to over-analyze are capable of… right?
UGH!! Dragonball! Keep. It. Away. Please! If those over-buff Super Saiyan are your idea of manliness, then that just makes you less of a nerd. I’m pretty sure oversized muscles and super strength fall under your traditional image of ‘manliness’.
Ah but again, those values aren’t defined (or even understood the same way) by a single archetype.
You have a weird idea about what a nerd is. Nerds, at least back in the days when the word was starting to be used, were into fantasy stories and such, along with board/P’n’P games, comics, etc… Most MLP fans I’ve seen are Europeans, and there isn’t too much of an interest outside of the Europeans into MLP(People I know who aren’t European find the whole thing more disturbing than I do) from what I’ve seen.You do know that by reacting like this, you’re falling for the second interpretation which only those who are disturbed to begin with and have a tendency to over-analyze are capable of… right?
UGH!! Dragonball! Keep. It. Away. Please! If those over-buff Super Saiyan are your idea of manliness, then that just makes you less of a nerd. I’m pretty sure oversized muscles and super strength fall under your traditional image of ‘manliness’.
Ah but again, those values aren’t defined (or even understood the same way) by a single archetype.
Sure, go ahead defend your values with sword in one hand and shield in the other.
I’ll defend what’s dear to me with merely a wave of my hand and a smile as I enjoy the sight of my screaming, burning foes.
No, the basest definition of a nerd is someone who is the opposite of classical ‘manliness’. As much as I find The Big Bang Theory a little exaggerated, the characters there are closer to that definition. Heck, aside from nerds, there are other archetypes that aren’t ‘manly’ but are just as good (and in some regards, better than) what you’re advocating.
I repeat: You’re over-analyzing. I haven’t even watched or read much but already I can tell I’ve seen far more of it than you have.
You must not know the early use of the word. They didn’t fit it, but they loved stories with such things, and many wished they were manly like that. I seriously suggest you look into the origins of the words and such. Also, I’m over-analyzing? It clearly is a non-platonic situation between a ten-year-old, and a male in his mid-30s. It also has same-sex relationships, which aren’t moral. That anime preaches the very immoral.
Sorry but the study of semantics does away with any relevance to origin of a term as applied to its current incarnation.
Read the Wikipedia quote you just cited. Twice. You’re over-analyzing.
Well, as a non-European maybe you have a different view, but for Europeans it is a tradition for what I am saying we should become, and we must follow tradition(if we don’t, we just become Protestants). I am not over-analyzing. How is it over-analyzing to see that a non-platonic “love” between a 10-year-old and a male in his mid-30s is a story of paedophilia. How is it over-analyzing to say that same-sex relationships are immoral?
I would actually say that the less my country and the Church draws on European influence, the worlds of art and literature would be a much better place.
Yes you are. It says right there that there are two ways to view the relationship you’re criticizing (a relationship that’s not much critical to the plot anyways). You’re doing the latter, the one that over-analyzes.
Any love that is not platonic between a child and an adult is immoral, it’s paedophilia plain and simple. You also just avoided that there are homosexual relationships in the anime, which is COMPLETELY IMMORAL! As for the Church not being European, it will never happen. The Church is founded on European ideals, is based in Europa, and will remain such. How would it be better if it wasn’t founded on European ideals? Since Vatican II we’ve seen mass go down the drain with the influence of non-European traditions. The Church is built on tradition, if you don’t like that, don’t be a Catholic.
Who’s avoiding? You’re the one not reading your own citations. If you can’t stand stop reading things seriously and over-analyzing, you’ll see pedophilia and homosexual relationships everywhere.
Oh you mean ideals like: The master race. Inferiority of the savage.
And this is why the likes of SSPX fall into schism.
There are clear homosexual relationships in the book(two men in non-platonic love). I didn’t over-analyze at all. My ancestors didn’t have intercourse with 10-year-olds in the medieval ages, there is a huge difference between 10 and 14, and even 14 is not acceptable in today’s societies(we now live much longer on average). Two men with non-platonic love is immoral, and to say otherwise is heretical even to Vatican II.
Says the one who hasn’t even read one chapter or a single episode. Then again, you’re on a thread about a show with which you’ve had little experience with either.
Oh wait, my mistake. It wasn’t fourteen…
-source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
Seeing as how it was you guys who were all bent on owning the world, I would say yes. The only non-Europeans I knew who had the same ambitions were the Mongols and the Persians.
I would say as far as cultural arts go, yeah I would think people would do well to stop giving you all too much credit. You don’t own the world and while I’ve acknowledged Europe’s place in it, it’s high time people like you realize that neither it nor the Church will revolve around your culture.
Ahh, avoiding that you promote homosexual relationships now? You’re country also had a lower AoC, doesn’t make it right now in today’s societies. The only non-Europeans who wanted that were the Mongols and Persians? Let’s just forget the Ottomans, the Moors, the Huns, etc… The Church is based in Rome, it is above the nations, it’s based in LATIN culture, it speaks a LATIN language, and these things won’t change. The Church will continue to remain to be European, as it always has been and always will be, or are you saying the Church should be destroyed, moved away from Rome, and that it should no longer keep the tradition of Latin being used? That’s not very Catholic, remember the Church wasn’t built to change, it was built on tradition. Also, without colonialism you wouldn’t have Catholicism, the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic faith. I guess you just don’t want the faith of tradition, and want something else. It seems like you’d be best with Protestantism if you feel that the tradition should be destroyed and the church should be based around your people.
Do you even know what Yukito actually is?
Now who’s the one in denial?
Ah yes, Rome. One of the greatest conquering empires in the world. So tell me, how far did the empires of your examples reach? By the way, last time I checked, Turkey’s part of Europe as well.
Church =/= Europe.
The only point I see in Latin is either through church ceremony or as clippings for fictional magic spells.