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Fine- John 6 and the Real Presence- backed up by ScriptureBased on the scriptures. Not any quotes from a priest or church. If you can’t respond with any scriptures i understand but please do not reply. God Bless
Gospel According to Saint Matthew 26: 26-28
And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
Gospel According to Saint Mark 14: 22-24
And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many.
Gospel According to Saint Luke 22: 19-20
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.
First Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Corinthians 11: 23-25
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.
Gospel According to Saint John 6: 35, 48-58
And Jesus said to them: I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger: and he that believeth in me shall never thirst.
I am the bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and** the bread that I will give, is my flesh**, for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
Jesus = Eucharist
Jesus = Bread of Life
Bread of Life = Eternal Life
Gospel According to Saint John 6:47- 52
He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
As we can see from the passage above:
Jesus = Bread of Life = Eternal Life
And as stated before: Jesus = Eucharist
Therefore: Eucharist = Eternal Life
I think the connections are pretty clear.
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adolfo123
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I do listen to KWVE sometimes they are anti-catholic, their doctrine sometimes i find to be not biblical like birth control (gen. 38:10)
Because they talked about my church beliefs they got my questioning doctrine of the rcc like Marian dogma etc.
So what I did was to study the faith and listen to their views of the church … and because of calvary chapel I became more Catholic…
funny how Calvary chapel to me was a weird blessing …
Because they talked about my church beliefs they got my questioning doctrine of the rcc like Marian dogma etc.
So what I did was to study the faith and listen to their views of the church … and because of calvary chapel I became more Catholic…
funny how Calvary chapel to me was a weird blessing …
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adolfo123
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well the disciple of John the apostle , Ignatias of antioch before being martyred in the arena wrote letters and some address the heretics of the time about the eucharist
"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.’’ — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1
so this shows that church who have johns gospel and preachings believe about the bread and wine …
the early christians would call heretics the once who do not believe in the true presence ( the Eucharist)
this disciple of John also is the one to address the christian church as being catholic (one universal church)
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Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid. — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation.
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adolfo123
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Did you not get to study the apostolic church Fathers … like the disciple of John the apostle , Ignatius of antioch who was a martyred and wrote against the heretics of that time when he want to rome to get martyred >???
“ Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid. — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation. ”
“ Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes. — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 ”
1Co 10:16 The blessing-cup, which we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ; and the loaf of bread which we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ?
2Th 2:15 Stand firm, then, brothers, and keep the (((traditions))) that we taught you, whether by (((word of mouth))) or by letter.
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wisdomseeker
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i think they mean. if the pastor read the exactly words that is written in the Bible. just if he really read the words right.
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laverita
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Reading over this post a bit and being a Calvary chapel member with Greg Laurie’s branch in 79 I’ll take just a moment to add some food for thought. I still listen and sometimes attend a local Calvary in my area, I threw the course have struggled with dispensationalism which is the frame work for Calvary you must embrace it to accept its current teaching of prophesy. Of course this affects the meaning of scripture. Most notably it places the Jews in a completely different camp than Christians. No doubt in my heart that the Lord lead me to this church even though I have a difference with the prophesy and dispensationalism I still believe that the Lord uses the church. It is the first steps I took searching into the Bible for a greater relationship. Jesus as far as I can remember has never been a question in my mind.
To step outside the Bible for a moment I would like to ask what was going on between the time of Noah and Abram in relationship to man and God. Surly He was still active and we have many ruins that date and outline a small glimpse. History is a very controversial subject and its easy to understand scholars that disagree Christian/secular are always at odds. Just take a Dem and a Rep and try to agree on the history of the US the last 50 years and I have made my point.
In digging around and many probably know that Egypt and many other nations beliefs have a remarkably similar story as the Bible does. I found two interesting markers if you will that IMO are markers that indicate Gods finger print that has largely been rubbed out. The first and oldest is the Bible in the stars. Do you know that all languages still hold the original meaning of the names of the visable starts today? The names changed at the tower of babel but the meaning is still retained. If you start at Virgo and end with Leo you can without great imagination clearly see the Biblical story, ending with the Lion from the tribe of Juda.
asis.com/users/stag/zodiac.html
That lead me to the next finger print Egypt the sphinx and the great pyramid. Now remember the bible zodiac properly read starts with virgo and ends with leo. Did you know that there are many small sphinx’s in Egypt that have the head of a woman and the tail/body of a Lion? The sphinx also is facing the rising constellation of Leo. Did you know that in Matthew that it refers to not the corner stone but the Chief corner stone the builders rejected. The Great Pyramid has no capstone with a bit of study will discover that a chief corner stone is a capstone that connects all the points of a pyramid. The pyramid is call the bible in stone by some and this information that was discovered (mid 1800s) mainly by being able to use astronomy to calculate the location of stars in the past. Because of the wobble of the earth (precession) we know the history of the stars position. The downward northern entrance of the pyramid has only a lined with 2 stars (pole stars) in the last 4500 years. One that is the marker and date to decipher the prophesy in the structure of the GP. The star called Draconis (Dragon Star) better translated as the sinister star. Is located in the dragon constellation that is always in the northern sky. Shone down the passage of the GP in 2141 BC, there is only 1 scribed mark on each side of this descending passage the next time a star would shine down this passage would not happen untill 2004 when Polaris our pole star now also lined up. The way to read this is to assign the M/Y/D to the scribe marks with the M/D/Y that dragons star shone down the apex of the passage. Here is a link to a web site page 1 and 2 I apologize for the source coast to coast but this page contains the most information to a Christian in one location. I was so amazed that I studied this considerably and determined that it pretty hard to fudge the stars and given measurments. The Great Pyramid Decoded, Gods stone witness, by E Raymond Capt is a good read. There is so much information that I just stick with the Exodus and Christ triangle dates. Considering the fact that GP was standing at the time of Moses and Joseph I take these dates very seriously. Historians can be all over the place. Please read these links before passing judgment and consider this verse :
europa.com/~edge/pyramid.html
europa.com/~edge/giza.html
“In that day there shall be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the Land of Egypt, and a monument at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign, and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts in the Land of Egypt” (Isaiah 19:19-20).
I will add that the Jehovah witness founder 1870s was very interested in this new at the time info. As anything you will not here the curator of Egypt talking about this ether. And as usual I have found 2 people that disagree about how to read a tape measure. I forgot to add that the measure used is (1/25 = 1in of a cubit) a cubit their is a reference to the correct cubit carved in the Kings chamber. The Exodus of Moses is dated 1453 BC right where the ascending passage meets the descending passage. Still blocked by granite STONE plugs, at the very point where you exit the small passage into the grand gallery is April 3 - 33 AD the cross.
If that not enough of just by chance. If you calculate the angle of the Ascending passage above the horizontal (26 degrees 18 minutes 9.63 seconds) you can impose it on a map, from the GP this angle will go straight threw Bethlehem, but thats not all if you take the # of inches from the scribe marks to the year 2 BC where it indicates Christ birth thats 2139 years or 2139 furlongs to Bethlehem. Like I said I was going to step outside the Bible time to go back.
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laverita
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I had so much to say I ran out of room. Now in light of my statement about looking for God in history “pre Moses”. we can get a picture of traditions of long gone cultures. Who is to say that Constantine and his mother did not combine the religions of Rome into one universal church? The Christians were unstoppable and the other greek and various religions, all had over tones of Christianity. They rolled the Greek gods out of the pantheon named them according to the Apostles and sold the greek followers on the fact that Jesus was Zeus ect. ect. The did the same with all the rest and founded tradition. We have the praying to Mary mother of god that suited the old Egyptian religion, found a way around the second commandment for the worshipers of idols. Their has alway been the food of the gods, the last supper bread and wine now also found its place. The list could go on and these are today divisions. Because the letters of the NT were many the additions could not be added to them so they became known as tradition, and verses could be referenced to support them. Now authority needed to be established and Peter was the key, Matthew 16:18 all of the authority was placed on Peter and all other Apostles, ministers of the word were subject to this one stone placed on Jesus. from this stone hang all of the authority of the Catholic Universal Church. This is all just speculation but can you over turn this hypothesis. How do we know that this was not the case and it would also explain the name universal church, the combining of faiths, Im sure that Jesus got everyone looking, and marveling at His works, few could probably deny He was not God. Please dont take this the wrong way, these traditions may have been proper and pleasing to God in the day they had the origin.
I think it is interesting to see that God has used Babylon as the bad church. I always used to wonder why not Egypt? They were bad, but instead Abram and Moses were both linked to Egypt. But some where along the line they lost sight. Isaiah’s quote,
: “In that day there shall be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the Land of Egypt, and a monument at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign, and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts in the Land of Egypt” (Isaiah 19:19-20)
Jeremiah 32: 20 states that God……hast set signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, even unto this day
The chief corner stone the builder rejected has become the “head” chief corner stone. The missing chief corner stone on the GP.
Here is a clip from a book
Although the Pharoah in whose reign the Great Pyramid was built, was Khufu (Cheops), second king of the 4th dynasty, all the evidence supports the record of Herodotus that “strangers to Egypt” supervised the building of the Great Pyramid.
Herodotus, who has been called “The father of History,” wrote that Cheops reigned 50 years, and that his brother Cephren, who succeeded him, reigned 56 years. Thus, he adds, “106 years are reckoned, during which the Egyptians suffered all kinds of calamities; and for this length of time the temples were closed and never opened.”
Manetho, an Egyptian priest, explains that the temples were closed during the time of the Shepherd Kings (Cory’s Ancient Fragments. Pg. 68). He writes, “…there came up from the East, in a strange manner, men of an ignoble race, who had the confidence to invade our country, and easily subdued it by their power, without a battle. All this nation,” continues Manetho, “was styled Hycsos, the Shepherd Kings. The first syllable, ‘Hyc’, according to the sacred dialect denoted a king, and the ‘sos’ signifies a shepherd according to the vulgar tougue; and of these is compounded the term Hycsos.
Upon completion of the Great Pyramid, ancient writings of the historians say that the “foreign” people withdrew and their departure was the cause of great rejoicing among the Egyptians. The restraint being removed, the people returned with fresh zest to their idolatrous practices.
BTW I use this info to witness to people that say, but the Samaritans or Egyptians are older than the bible. They did that over here before Moses. What they did looks about like what the Bible teaches, they had it first. The Jews are copy cats.
No God has been at work all threw the ages and if you look He has left a bread trail. That confirms his Exodus before it ever happened. And it took modern knowledge and hind sight to understand it. First He wrote it in the stars, next He wrote it in stone, next He commanded men to write it down. From the stars to the earth to the hearts of men.
Be prepared to give every man an answer to the faith with in you.
europa.com/~edge/pyramid.html
europa.com/~edge/giza.html
asis.com/users/stag/zodiac.html
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adolfo123
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what… so is the holy spirit the phoenix bird>>???lololol
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adolfo123
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I think you will love this about the constellations in the icon of the lady of Guadalupe…
catholicintl.com/catholicissues/New_Discoveries_on_the_Tilma.pdf
please do respond…
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laverita
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Laugh all you want you know that last week of Danial the 7 years that is “yet” to take place because God stopped the clock.
Well that 3 1/2 yeas is very clear in the Christ triangle and the 3 1/2 years that followed the cross ended at Stephens stoning. Thus completing the lond disputed 70th week. It was completed after the 69th in Jesus. It will not be completed in the future by the anti christ 7 year run.
Like I said laugh all you want you surly haven’t had time to read it.
And anyone that knows about ancient religions knows there is uncanny relationships. What you dont think God was at work between Noah and Abram? did He go to sleep and wake up for Abram? Or has men been trying to kick dirt over the truth for years.
Do you think God was talking out his hat to Job about the stars.
Thats why I guess you were chosen. To bad your to smart to look
And no the phoenix bird comes to you after you come out of the water baptism of the Catholic Church
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adolfo123
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I did see some of the zodiac thing … that is why i wanted you to see the guadalupe constellations …Laugh all you want you know that last week of Danial the 7 years that is “yet” to take place because God stopped the clock.
Well that 3 1/2 yeas is very clear in the Christ triangle and the 3 1/2 years that followed the cross ended at Stephens stoning. Thus completing the lond disputed 70th week. It was completed after the 69th in Jesus. It will not be completed in the future by the anti christ 7 year run.
Like I said laugh all you want you surly haven’t had time to read it.
And anyone that knows about ancient religions knows there is uncanny relationships. What you dont think God was at work between Noah and Abram? did He go to sleep and wake up for Abram? Or has men been trying to kick dirt over the truth for years.
Do you think God was talking out his hat to Job about the stars.
Thats why I guess you were chosen. To bad your to smart to look
And no the phoenix bird comes to you after you come out of the water baptism of the Catholic Church
sorry about the lololol … I am open to your opinions …
catholicintl.com/catholicissues/New_Discoveries_on_the_Tilma.pdf
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laverita
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If your a Christian and Im sure you are. If you have never looked into
the great pyramid you will find it interesting, no matter what faith you hail from I am reading your link. Historians are all to quick to look to older cultures and claim the Jews were just copy cats. Better to be ready to support Jesus pre Bible with some facts.
I dont waste time quoting other historians I roll the big guns out 
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adolfo123
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I hope i get your feedback on the link i gave you… later god bless…If your a Christian and Im sure you are. If you have never looked into
the great pyramid you will find it interesting, no matter what faith you hail from I am reading your link. Historians are all to quick to look to older cultures and claim the Jews were just copy cats. Better to be ready to support Jesus pre Bible with some facts.
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laverita
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I sent you the reply. Did you read the links I posted?
I would like to know if you read mine.
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jpunto7
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You said it perfectly.
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One year without being under the influence of Calvary. WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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