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Isaiah45_9
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Because CU knows that the only chance a Calvinist has to win a debate against a Catholic is to ignore Tradition, History, Logic and Church.
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PRmerger
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Yes, in fulfillment of Malachi 1:11.
Do you see any other place where a “pure offering” is made from the rising of the sun to its setting?
The only place I know is in the altars of the Catholic Church throughout the world.
The Church is our Mother, and as such, has the authority to make certain requirements.
This authority was given to her by Jesus. It’s called “binding and loosing”.
If you could quote the book, chapter and verse that contradicts saying that a certain time on Saturday evening fulfills Sunday obligation, please?
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PRmerger
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Excellent.
So now you are giving tacit acknowledgment of these things:
-the charism of infallibility has been given to the Catholic Church, at least as it applies to the canon of the NT (unless, of course, you want to offer what error the Church made in discerning the NT canon?)
-this charism has been given on multiple occasions (unless you are proposing that these men erred in Carthage or Hippo or Trent?)
-you are not Sola Scriptura, but rather you acknowledge that you submit to the authority of a Church (at least as it applies to the canon of the NT).
Yes?
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danzibr
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It’s already been said, but I might as well agree. I’m still in RCIA and I can surely be out debated on many topics by a protestant. However, I’ve learned a few things fairly well (namely baptism and Eucharist) and the more I learn the more I’m convinced a truly learned Catholic cannot be out debated. At least not if the protestant is having an honest, logical debate.
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fbl9
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A Mass held on Saturday after the time know in the Jewish world as the candle lighting time is valid for a Sunday Mass. For the Church holds that days of soleminty begin the eve before.
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SteveVH
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As others have already said, this simply isn’t accurate. In the Jewish tradition, Sunday begins after 4:00 P.M. on Saturday. So we are keeping the Sunday obligation if we attend Mass after 4:00 P.M. on Saturday.
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StGeorgeHussite
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All the Catholic kids at the Catholic school I went to. Except one.
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Monte_RCMS
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Happens ALL THE TIME!
[not a fun experience]
But, it incentivizes me to study more.
John 6:20-70
“The Bible Timeline” by Jeff Cavins, Tim Gray, Sarah Christmyer and Matt Pinto
“Catholicism” by Father Robert Barron
www.catholicbridge.com
www.churchmilitant.tv
You can find Fr. Barron and others on YouTube.
… and many many more books, videos, magazines, catholic encyclopedia, catholic newspapers, CCC and other smaller catechisms, …
Scott Hahn … Patrick Madrid … Michael Voris … just keep immersing myself in the faith and spending time with great lecturers, teachers, writers.
… find new things to explore … such as the catechesis of Benedict XVI …
… add many new things to my “bucket list”: learn to read Hebrew and Greek!
[not a fun experience]
But, it incentivizes me to study more.
John 6:20-70
“The Bible Timeline” by Jeff Cavins, Tim Gray, Sarah Christmyer and Matt Pinto
“Catholicism” by Father Robert Barron
www.catholicbridge.com
www.churchmilitant.tv
You can find Fr. Barron and others on YouTube.
… and many many more books, videos, magazines, catholic encyclopedia, catholic newspapers, CCC and other smaller catechisms, …
Scott Hahn … Patrick Madrid … Michael Voris … just keep immersing myself in the faith and spending time with great lecturers, teachers, writers.
… find new things to explore … such as the catechesis of Benedict XVI …
… add many new things to my “bucket list”: learn to read Hebrew and Greek!
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vsedriver
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Catholics also believe that God, through the Holy Spirit protects and guides the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Without that initial protection and guidance there could be no protection and guidance when determining what was Biblical and what wasn’t. It was the Church that had the knowledge and understanding to teach Christ’s message. That is why it is necessary to follow the One True Church. Without the Church you end up with watered down Gospels and sins no longer sins.
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Monte_RCMS
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If you go to daily Mass, after three years you get pretty much the whole Bible … Old Testament, New Testament, Psalms, etc.
[Although, I think they omitted some of the more gruesome battle scenes from the Old Testament.]
Anyway, I was at a seminar sponsored by Catholic Answers … and several speakers including Karl Keating and Fr. Peter Stravinskas mentioned John 6.
WHAT WAS THAT?
So, I looked it up …
Well, I had read it a hundred times, but never remembered the Chapter and Verse(s).
It [the chapter and verses] was a REVELATION …
I read it a hundred times and studied every commentary on it.
Seriously, Sooooo … the doorbell rings and it’s your friendly neighborhood Jehovah Witnesses …
Says I: “Do you have a bible with you by any chance?”
THEY FELL RIGHT INTO THE TRAP.
Oh, you’re taking it literally … Well, Jesus did not say: “Just kidding”, when everybody walked away except the twelve.
THEY FALL INTO IT EVERY TIME.
The most recent visit … “Do you know why we are here?” … “Yes, we need for YOU to go door-to-door as CATHOLICS to do the grassroots evangelization!”
[Boy, was that a shock to them.]
So, after a few years/decades of getting my head beat in, it is gratifying to have an answer or two.
[Although, I think they omitted some of the more gruesome battle scenes from the Old Testament.]
Anyway, I was at a seminar sponsored by Catholic Answers … and several speakers including Karl Keating and Fr. Peter Stravinskas mentioned John 6.
WHAT WAS THAT?
So, I looked it up …
Well, I had read it a hundred times, but never remembered the Chapter and Verse(s).
It [the chapter and verses] was a REVELATION …
I read it a hundred times and studied every commentary on it.
Seriously, Sooooo … the doorbell rings and it’s your friendly neighborhood Jehovah Witnesses …
Says I: “Do you have a bible with you by any chance?”
THEY FELL RIGHT INTO THE TRAP.
Oh, you’re taking it literally … Well, Jesus did not say: “Just kidding”, when everybody walked away except the twelve.
THEY FALL INTO IT EVERY TIME.
The most recent visit … “Do you know why we are here?” … “Yes, we need for YOU to go door-to-door as CATHOLICS to do the grassroots evangelization!”
[Boy, was that a shock to them.]
So, after a few years/decades of getting my head beat in, it is gratifying to have an answer or two.
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tarboy
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Sorry Monte but that is a fallacy.
Maybe 14% of the OT and 72% of the NT are in the Lectionary, if you attended every day. A regular Catholic will only get 4% of OT and 41% of NT by attending Sundays and major Feasts.
catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm
Thus, it’s essential for all to read and study bible and catechism outside of mass
Thanks for this reminder, I too had to look it up (remembering the words but not verse)
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nickybr38
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I’ve been out shouted by a Protestant. In my experience they aren’t very open to debate. They are only interested in proselytizing.
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nickybr38
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But not if we attend Sunday mass after 4PM on Sunday?
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october_baby
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Monte_RCMS
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Good find!
Thanks!!
Explains why the really gory battle scenes are not read at Mass. [We were pretty shocked when we went over them in class.]
John 6: 20-70
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Monte_RCMS
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Some say he’s too orthodox and others say he’s not orthodox enough.Let’s not forget Michele Voris!My bad, you did, good for you!
He’s pretty up front, though.
On YouTube as well as on www.churchmilitant.tv
I like his “CIA” videos.
[Catholic Investigative Agency]
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october_baby
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People seem to either love him or hate him, for me personally, I find that he seems to back up what I’ve been taught or read. I like him and plan on getting the premium package as
soon as I get a job.
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solarguy17
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You are correct, my opinion is that Catholics permitted the addition of Saturday evening Mass for convenience. But if not for convenience, why is it permitted for a Saturday even Mass to fulfill Sunday Mass requirements. I have never gotten an answer from any Catholic other then convenience.
Basically, what appears to be the case is that you have from 4:00PM on Saturday to 11:59PM on Sunday to fullfill Mass, this is 32 hours, more then 1 day. The Bible clearly says Sunday. For the Catholic Church to permit Saturday for whatever reason is going beyond Biblical authority. It would make sense at least if Sunday Mass had to be complete before 4:00PM on Sunday, but as it is there is no apparent reason for it.
Huh? The only offering we need was Christ’s sacrifice.
Well, technically according to Catholic teaching the authority to “bind and loose” was given to Peter in Matt 19:16. Of course that ignores fact that Matthew 18:18 says the same thing and is directed at all the disciples.
No, but all the Biblical examples mention the 1st day of the week, not sundown on the 7th.
No…I am saying that God/Holy Spirit guided them to compile the books of the NT becuase HE knew that Catholism would be the major religion for at least a 1000 yrs and the best way to preserve the NT was through those men.Excellent.
So now you are giving tacit acknowledgment of these things:
-the charism of infallibility has been given to the Catholic Church, at least as it applies to the canon of the NT (unless, of course, you want to offer what error the Church made in discerning the NT canon?)
-this charism has been given on multiple occasions (unless you are proposing that these men erred in Carthage or Hippo or Trent?)
-you are not Sola Scriptura, but rather you acknowledge that you submit to the authority of a Church (at least as it applies to the canon of the NT).
Yes?
No man is infallible, but God does use men to fullfill his will. (see Noah, Moses, Jonah, etc)
And no I don’t submit to the authority of the Catholic church, the Magesterium, or even the church of Christ I attend. I submit to God’s authority and strive to follow His will as defined in His inspired Word.
Ok, then attending Mass after 4:00PM on Sunday would not fulfill the requirement then by that logic because Monday will have already started.
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