Any Episcopalians in the house?

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And I’m guessing the answer to these so-called anti-vaccination, anti-gun limitations, and homeschooling types would be to use the force of the state to force vaccination, gun control, and no choice when it comes to schooling? :rolleyes:
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Of course not! Such a government would be draconian, and I don’t believe in forced vaccinations, forced public schooling, etc. I’m just finding these things drowning out a Christ-centered spirituality that I am not getting enough of in my parish. I don’t want to force anyone into my beliefs, so I’ll leave them to it and quietly find another place to find Christ.
 
I’d like to agree with Steve on a certain point - namely, that it is ultimately the truth that matters. I’m persuaded that truth is found in Reformed theology, and the Anglican tradition (in its confessional form) is closest to that truth (the truth of Reformed Catholicism) which is why I am part of an evangelical and Reformed Anglican church.

The thing I wonder about Roman Catholicism is that often the reality on the ground - that is, what actually goes on in the parish church - can be lost amid all the talk of “on this rock” and “valid mass”. My church, for example, leaflets the whole town a number of times a year with information about services and events, evangelistic courses, and whatnot. Our minister preaches a 20 minute, carefully prepared, expositional sermon from the Word of God every Sunday. And so on. I’ve never so much as had an invite from the local Roman church, and the only thing I know about it is that a girl of about 8 who comes to us in the evenings is used there to serve up at the altar.

Are people being truly fed?
 
Of course not! Such a government would be draconian, and I don’t believe in forced vaccinations, forced public schooling, etc. I’m just finding these things drowning out a Christ-centered spirituality that I am not getting enough of in my parish. I don’t want to force anyone into my beliefs, so I’ll leave them to it and quietly find another place to find Christ.
Virgo, another point to consider is that the zealous types that leave you feeling uncomfortable are found everywhere. They are not indicative of just one faith, they are everywhere. So you may find it hard to find a Church free of “Opinions” and overbearing personalities. Look at the answers and information you get from the other faiths and closely look at what is being said. Every one of the other faith traditions will claim to the the “ONE”. But you cant blame them, they truly believe they are the “ONE”. that is the discerning part that is on you. Do not let any individual tell you that you have to come here or go there, you have to be lead by the HS and really listen the what the HS is telling you.
 
Episcopalian here.

The Episcopal Church is pretty much a broad to high church Anglican province these days. The worship, typically, will not vary that much parish to parish. That said, theology can be wildly different parish to parish. You can find anything from '28 BCP traditionalists with only male clergy all the way to feminist progressive liberal parishes that are consumed by secular political issues and, lastly, you can find everything in between.

I am going to be leaving my Episcopal parish in 2016. It is due to a number of factors: 1. Changing from full-time to part-time priest 2. The parish only has money to survive for a handful more years 3. The actions of the national church are something that I can no longer reconcile with my conscience and so on. That said, I am leaning in the LCMS Lutheran direction, but my mind is certainly still open to other directions.
Though a little off topic, I find your decision making process curious. When I had issues that I could not reconcile, I left. Though it took a couple years of internal struggle to make the decision, once made, I walked out the door without regret or second thought. I would not have been able to sit in the pew each week otherwise. No reflection on your journey, I just find it curious.

Second, the parish which I currently attend actually turned around once it got the part time Priest. I think he was able to get the message across that the parish had by all accounts died, which is why they could not afford the full time Priest, and if they didn’t want the doors closed they would have to do things to cause success. Many old timers had to leave, but God has brought new people in. It’s nice to have stuck in there and seen the turn around!

Good luck in your journey.
 
Virgo, another point to consider is that the zealous types that leave you feeling uncomfortable are found everywhere. They are not indicative of just one faith, they are everywhere. So you may find it hard to find a Church free of “Opinions” and overbearing personalities. Look at the answers and information you get from the other faiths and closely look at what is being said. Every one of the other faith traditions will claim to the the “ONE”. But you cant blame them, they truly believe they are the “ONE”. that is the discerning part that is on you. Do not let any individual tell you that you have to come here or go there, you have to be lead by the HS and really listen the what the HS is telling you.
Surely Anglicans, at least, don’t claim to be the “ONE”, just part of the One.
 
Well, I don’t think homeschooling necessarily involves being anti-anything:D

Granted, I find the other side of the coin very frustrating in Episcopal parishes (the endless litany of "it’s so great to belong to a church where you don’t have to check your brain at the door," the complete contempt for Catholic teaching on sexual issues, the acceptance of abortion, the general attitude of thanking God that we are not as other people are, legalists, fundamentalists, Roman Catholics, or even these Methodists).

God bless,

Edwin
I used to respond, “then why do so many of us do it…(regarding the non Biblical teaching)”.

No, it didn’t go over well:D
 
Of course not! Such a government would be draconian, and I don’t believe in forced vaccinations, forced public schooling, etc. I’m just finding these things drowning out a Christ-centered spirituality that I am not getting enough of in my parish. I don’t want to force anyone into my beliefs, so I’ll leave them to it and quietly find another place to find Christ.
You don’t have to force them. You just have to be a witness by your life (and where appropriate your words) to the fact that there are more important things. These folks probably think that everyone who doesn’t think as they do doesn’t really care about the central truths of the Faith either: Christ, the Eucharist, sanctification through the work of the Holy Spirit, the communion of saints, etc. You may be needed to show them that it is possible. Not to convince them to think like you, but to broaden their understanding of what it means to be a faithful Catholic.

I think this is an important part of what it means to be the Body of Christ. If we all just go find more “comfortable” places to worship, we will never really show forth the glorious diversity in unity of the Body.

But it’s a tough job, and none of us do it perfectly. I’m pushing back on this just because I know that our culture treats personal choice and comfort as the decisive factor in pretty much all decisions, so that leaving one’s church to find another where one is more comfortable can seem like the obvious, even virtuous thing to do. Maybe sometimes (like divorce) it’s something you have to do for your own sanity and well-being. Maybe staying will make you so upset that you are not able to show forth the love of Christ to the obnoxious people you worship with. But at least don’t do it lightly.

In my own discernment process regarding Catholicism, one of the most helpful things anyone has said to me was said by my parents’ Methodist pastor: “wherever you land, you will bring with you the gift of not quite fitting in.”

God bless,

Edwin
 
You will notice that I said “so-called anti-vaccination, anti-gun limitations, and homeschooling TYPES”. There are all types of individuals that push their beliefs in an over zealous way. You are taking the child thing to literal. 🙂
Understood, thanks for the clarification! 🙂
 
I’m an Episcopalian, though my loyalty is more to my parish than to the national church. When I joined several years ago, I had simply chosen to pursue my spirituality through the most liberal church I could find – that is, a church open enough to take someone whose religious and political ideology was roughly on par with the Unitarian Universalist faith. That said, when I was baptized and confirmed, I committed myself to the Christian church wholly: even if I could not believe everything, I would subject myself to the order, the rule of life, that is Christianity. Because I was raised in a thoroughly modern sect (Oneness Pentecostalism), becoming a faithful Episcopalian meant discovering Christianity as though it were a new religion, and in retrospect gaining a more profound appreciation of western history. I never grasped the significance of the Church in European life until I began practicing liturgy. Over the years I have become more orthodox, increasingly relying on Catholic and East Orthodox teaching to inform my understanding and practice of Christianity. The integrity of the Catholic faith astounds me. Of course, my emotions are mixed: I feel I owe a certain loyalty to the Episcopal faith, for through it I was introduced to Christianity. In 2010, 2011, I could have never been enticed into a Catholic church. Now Catholicism is a significant influence on my worldview, though I don’t know if I could ever be accepted as a Catholic: I spent too many years as a rationalistic skeptic to be able to sincerely profess belief in many articles of faith, even though I wish I could believe them. My parish church is my home, and the Diocese of Alabama is a solid place to grow as a Christian. The devotion to ministry is solid: Camp Sawyerville is one outstanding example. As much as I despair of its apparent practice of simply churchifying progressive politics, it’s…home.
 
Convenience is certainly a pesky issue, on a day to day basis, but, IMO in the end it cannot be the basis on which we should choose our faith tradition, whether that be choosing the Catholic Church or another. Would you not agree that it is the Truth that really matters and that we should seek it, even if it is difficult? IOW, I would not change the Church to which I belong because another is more convenient to attend. More important is what we believe and why we believe it.

Peace, my friend.

Steve
If convenience is the key, I’d be out of religion a long time ago! Gee so many things to do but I am sure God would be displease if I did all that ( I did strayed mind you). But I have to deny self and goes with the Truth. 20 years later, the Church is still the same! Same liturgy, same old boring songs (ok, with some improvement) choir still puts one to sleep, my area that is. But one thing really really important is this: the doctrine never change. No matter what the trend is, what the world viewpoint is, the Church remains like a rock doctrine wise. No guarantees elsewhere.
 
I’m an Episcopalian, though my loyalty is more to my parish than to the national church. When I joined several years ago, I had simply chosen to pursue my spirituality through the most liberal church I could find – that is, a church open enough to take someone whose religious and political ideology was roughly on par with the Unitarian Universalist faith. That said, when I was baptized and confirmed, I committed myself to the Christian church wholly: even if I could not believe everything, I would subject myself to the order, the rule of life, that is Christianity. Because I was raised in a thoroughly modern sect (Oneness Pentecostalism), becoming a faithful Episcopalian meant discovering Christianity as though it were a new religion, and in retrospect gaining a more profound appreciation of western history. I never grasped the significance of the Church in European life until I began practicing liturgy. Over the years I have become more orthodox, increasingly relying on Catholic and East Orthodox teaching to inform my understanding and practice of Christianity. The integrity of the Catholic faith astounds me. Of course, my emotions are mixed: I feel I owe a certain loyalty to the Episcopal faith, for through it I was introduced to Christianity. In 2010, 2011, I could have never been enticed into a Catholic church. Now Catholicism is a significant influence on my worldview, though I don’t know if I could ever be accepted as a Catholic: I spent too many years as a rationalistic skeptic to be able to sincerely profess belief in many articles of faith, even though I wish I could believe them. My parish church is my home, and the Diocese of Alabama is a solid place to grow as a Christian. The devotion to ministry is solid: Camp Sawyerville is one outstanding example. As much as I despair of its apparent practice of simply churchifying progressive politics, it’s…home.
I had a similar experience in some ways, except that I was a raging conservative who wanted church tradition and churchianity. I got it especially in trad Anglicanism and Anglo-Catholicism. I eventually left these movements when the Lord Jesus Christ revealed himself to me in his Word.
 
I eventually left these movements when the Lord Jesus Christ revealed himself to me in his Word.
Odd coincidence that you mention that, because he has now revealed to me that you should join the Roman Communion.🙂
 
I actually have had several questions for Episcopalians and Catholics who are considering attending an Episcopalian church full-time. (I hope I don’t sound mean, it’s just I’ve lost several friends to the Episcopalian church.) What do Episcopalians think about the fact that Jesus started the Roman Catholic Church?
 
What do Episcopalians think about the fact that Jesus started the Roman Catholic Church?
Is it really a fact that Jesus started the Roman Catholic Church? According to Wikipedia, “A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability.” Is this truly something that can be verified or is it a matter of faith?
 
Is it really a fact that Jesus started the Roman Catholic Church? According to Wikipedia, “A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability.” Is this truly something that can be verified or is it a matter of faith?
There are several angles from which I could answer this. What kind of proof would you accept?
 
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