any episcopalians on here?

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had you not been labelling gays as being “disordered”, you wouldn’t be labeled disordered in return.
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
we don’t know what Christ meant, to tell you the truth. and i was asking if there were any episcopalians on here, so jump on this thread if you aren’t.
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If the two last messages are addressed for me, I think you are confused about me. I’ve never labeled gays as disordered (you can show where I said such thing). I said what the Bible says, homosexuality is a sin, fornication is a sin. I cannot condemn sinners (homosexuals, fornicators, etc) because this judgement would condemn me before God. But I have to say the truth, the Bible is pretty clear (for example you can read 1Cor 6:9-20) and Church teaching is, like always, coherent with God’s Word.

Well I’m not episcopalian, but there is freedom in this forum to share opinions (without to break the rules), you have the right don’t answering me or ignoring me if you want. But don’t worry this is my last message in this thread.

And of course you cannot put everyone in the same boat. If you don’t know what Christ’s words mean in Matthew 16 doesn’t meant that other people don’t know. Your sentence is imprecise. The correct expression would be: " I don’t know what Christ meant , to tell you the truth"
 
but homosexuality is a part of someone, so yes you are saying that they’re disordered.
 
no it is not. it is not coherent with “it is not good for man to be alone”. it isn’t good for gays to be alone. they need a gay partner.
 
i don’t even think the belief of homosexual relationships being “wrong” is catholic in any respect.
 
as i said, please get off this thread if you aren’t episcopalian.
 
HDLSeanWileyTin said:
but homosexuality is a part of someone, so yes you are saying that they’re disordered.
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We all have disordered aspects of our nature. It’s called sin.

Now the claim of pro-gay Christians is that sexual orientation is so fundamental a pert of a person’s identity that to say a person’s sexual orientation is disordered is to say that the person lacks value and dignity. I don’t agree with this–I think our society vastly overvalues sexuality in general.

And I have been Episcopalian since 1998, so don’t tell me to get off the thread.

Again, I commend to you the writings of Fr. James Alison, an openly gay, pro-gay Catholic theologian. Or, on the other side, you could read Ephraim Radner, an Anglican theologian (Anglican Church of Canada, currently) who holds conservative views on homosexuality.

Your approach to the issue, so far, seems a bit immature, as witnessed by your rather garbled Biblical examples.

Edwin
 
As and Anglo-Catholic, I caution you to be careful. There is a schism underway with the Episcopal church throughout the world currently and it basically comes down to ordaining homosexuals and ordination of women as the two biggies. I know that the grass looks greener on the other side, but with careful examination you often find that it was just a mirage.

The TEC is currently on a death spiral. When you do not need Jesus to get to heaven but what ever makes you feel good, there is a problem there. Also, when you change your belief system to be adaptable to the latest trends or beliefs you can not stay true to God’s word.

I think it is great that you are questioning and I encourage you to always question things. But, taking caution from 2 Timothy 4:3 “For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander away to myths.”

A lot of people take the Bible and use one small quote from a verse to make their point, failing to look not only at the previous and post verses, but also the meaning and context of the entire passage. You can pull a verse out of the Bible and make any point you want.

So, where am I going with all of this, good question. I hope all of our ultimate goals are to join our Heavenly Father and his Triumphant Son in heaven. With tens of thousands of churches and denominations out there to choose from, all claiming to be the one true way to heaven, I have to sit back and think who’s wrong and do I want to be a part of something that may keep me from my ultimate goal of heaven?

All I can tell you to do is to be very open and honest with yourself. Read, study, pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you in your decision. Ask yourself, is what I am thinking the Truth or what I want to be the truth? What is truth? What I myself believe about something as being true, may not be if it goes against what God deems as Truth in his written word. It doesn’t matter what I think or believe, if it goes against what God says, and I know that I a sinful being, not even worthy to join the dog’s getting the scraps under the table, I am not going to change the mind of God.

Before you jump ship and join the Episcopal church, make sure you didn’t cut off your nose to spite your face. I personally would hate to make an error that has eternal consequences. The only perfect place we have is waiting for us in heaven and God willing we get there.

You can not pick and choose what to believe when it comes down to being a member of a church. Jesus did not give us guidelines to pick and choose from like going down a cafeteria line. We are either IN or OUT. There is no in between. The rules and teachings of the Church were worked out by many people much smarter than me and I have to have faith that God was guiding them when these were created. Even if I don’t think something is correct, I have to have try to leave my feelings out of it and Trust that God knows what is truly the best for me and not worry about what the world is focused on. The world and its concerns are a distraction from getting to heaven.

God Bless
 
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