Any ideas on who Peter the Roman might be?

[Zooey]

LilyM:

People, people, get over yourselves - ‘no one knows the day and hour, not even the son’

Much less St Malachy, or the seers of Fatima, or Nostradamus, much less us.

To give credence to anything that purports to determine when the end of the world will take place is superstitious nonsense.

Having said which, I would just like to point out something I have pointed out, before, on these “prophecies”: Every pope is “Peter the Roman”! The pope is the bishop of Rome, hence Roman…and he holds the office of St Peter…
In other words, whoever wrote these things up ( & I doubt it was :nope: St Malachi), but whoever, sure did hedge his bets on this one, don’t you think???

 

[seabird3579]

bones_IV:

Pius XI was called intrepid fide which means ‘unshakable faith’. All popes are to have unshakable faith. He did stand up to the communists and fascists of his day.

I think it’s fitting. How could Saint Malachy (or even if you think it was the Jesuits) know that “unshakable faith” would be needed during this fascists era of history?

I think we all would ignore Malachy’s prophesies at our own peril. Whenever, I have any doubts about private revelation, I always keep an open mind anyway. Otherwise, it reminds me of the days when they mocked Noah for building an ark… :tsktsk:

 

[seabird3579]

…as far as “every pope being a Roman” well, not necessarily but I understand what the poster is trying to say.

In the case of Malachy’s last “pope” who is not numbered like the others, I say that if the prophesy is true, that person’s identification will be obvious when he assumes office. Surely, this is a future time, even if it might be in the near future, so we can only wait with an open mind and watch. But if it is fulfilled, we won’t be able to say we weren’t warned ahead of time.

 

[bones_IV]

seabird3579:

I think it’s fitting. How could Saint Malachy (or even if you think it was the Jesuits) know that “unshakable faith” would be needed during this fascists era of history?

I think we all would ignore Malachy’s prophesies at our own peril. Whenever, I have any doubts about private revelation, I always keep an open mind anyway. Otherwise, it reminds me of the days when they mocked Noah for building an ark… :tsktsk:

My point is that the profecies don’t add up. Vatican II was just what, 41 years ago almost. And the council hasn’t even been properly implemented in many a diocese. Benedict XVI said that the Church is young. How can that profecy possibly be correct? I think people are obsessed with this profecy because they are depressed.

 

[LilyM]

Can’t help but think of the Christians St Paul was reproving in the New Testament because they assumed that the end of the world was going to come quickly.

Throughout the last two thousand years there have been a stream of prophecies placing the end of the world at different times, none of them has come true.

And a prophet who uses terms as vague as ‘nautilus’ or ‘glory of the olive’ or ‘intrepid faith’ - honestly I could probably without too much twisting apply those to any Pope if I was so inclined, or even to most of you.

If you let so-called prophecies like this guide your life then what is the real difference between you and someone who believes in astrology, tarot, runes or any other new-age hokum?

 

[seabird3579]

When God speaks through a prophesy or a dream, He usually always provides an interpreter. For example, the King in the Old Testament asked Daniel to interpret his dream. He himself did not know what it meant, if anything. Only Daniel understood the true meaning of the King’s dream.

It seems to me that if the King would have asked a dozen others (not given the interpretation by God) that they would at best have shrugged their shoulders and told the King, falsely, ‘not to worry.’

I’m not Daniel and neither are you necessarily, but I do believe that God would give some the insight to see what is being relayed when the message is important.

Remember how Jesus admonished the people who were always “looking for a sign” and He told them that No sign would be given but the sign of Johah.

Well, if you were not a spiritual person or you did not understand the Scriptures, even the ‘sign of Jonah’ would have puzzled you.

In conclusion, there are two points here:

1. Jesus promised that there would be “signs” in the last days and that they would be as ‘evident’ as a plant about ready to bloom; and,
2. It seems that only those with “spiritual eyes” are able to understand the signs that do come.

We all need to pray for the Lord to give us ‘spiritual eyes’ that we might discern a word from God. Discernment, a gift of the Holy Spirit, will let us know if what we’re reading is worth noting, or discarding.

 

[seabird3579]

Look, I know this is a difficult prophesy. It is hard to hear.

But I really feel that God would have us be at peace, even if the prophesy is true and the time is short, really short for that matter.

As Pope John Paul II said, “Be Not Afraid.”

I’ve only recently myself begun to realise that the end times, this time, might really be near – no kidding.

So what must I do to ready myself?

First, I must pray. Everyday. My goal is to develop an ongoing “talking” relationship with Jesus, like I use to have when I was younger before the “worries of the world” took me farther and farther away from the ‘things of God.’

That’s number one.

Second, as a mother, I will try to prepare my children as best I can. That means being very careful in how these “signs of the times” are relayed to them – so that – they don’t have needless fear and anxiety and yet, they too begin to prepare themselves for that joyful moment when we will meet God – face to face.

One way I’ve done that is to explain current events to my kids as they come up. (My younger children are 12 and 14 so this won’t be incomprehensible, although at first they’ll be “bored”) I will try to give them an “historical” perspective on current events, so that they will be able to ‘add up’ what’s happening, and it becomes personal and therefore, not boring.

Lastly, I would just make one final point here.

God made us for Him. He made us to know and love Him for all eternity and to be happy with Him in heaven.

We were not made for this world. This is only a temporary stay. We are only “passing through” on our way to the Father’s house, which “has many mansions.” Christ has prepared a place for all of us, IF we make it our goal to follow Him and His commandments.

This prophesy is a good wake up call that we should not build our treasure here on earth.

Our heavenly treasure is in heaven, and now we have been given “signposts” along the way – that that time may not be far off.

We should have faith, trust in God, and “Be Not Afraid.”

 

[bones_IV]

Should a Catholic even consider such a prophecy over all the other apparitions she has approved? Not a good idea. If there is any recogniciliaton, ‘an era of peace’ would the silence on the list of popes between Gloria Olivae and the Pope at the time of the AntiChrist. A silence that some mention is found in Rev 8:1 before the End times unroll. Since we have no way of knowing how long this period will be, we should conforted with the words of the present pope, that we are not at the End times.

 

[bones_IV]

GoldenArrow:

I don’t know whether the Peter the Roman prophecy applies to Pope Benedict, nor do I have enough information to determine whether or not Malachy’s Prophecies are a hoax.

If the prophecies are true, then Pope Benedict XVI would correspond to Gloria Olivae or Glory of the Olive. I read somewhere that the Benedictine Order had some relation to being “Olivetan” and that Pope Benedict fulfilled Malachy’s description of Glory of the Olive.

Peter the Roman and Glory of the Olive could be the same Pope because some believe that Malachy’s prophecy–with regards to the last two popes–was altered. These same folks say that the original prophecy did not distinguish between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). Others say that Petrus Romanus was not on the original list and that it ends with Gloria Olivae—so there is some confusion with regards to Malachy’s Prophecy.

But … now that we’re discussing Pope Benedict, I’d like to offer an interesting, little-known prophecy from St. Faustina, who said:

"I wish the time were here when the Pope dressed in red will reign. I see the Apostles, not those of the past, but the apostles of the last times, and it seems to me, the Pope is among them"–St. Faustina. exerpt from Reign of Antichrist by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton. Page 160.

I speculate that the “red” could apply to the Camauro and the “Pope dressed in red” could be Pope Benedict, or one of his successors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ictXVIcamauro.jpg/78px-BenedictXVIcamauro.jpg

The camauro had fallen into disuse after Pope John XXIII. It was revived by Pope Benedict. Here’s a description of the camauro and a history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camauro

—Just speculating, for fun.

God Bless!

Could tell me more about this book of Rev Culleton’s?

 

[seabird3579]

bones_IV:

Should a Catholic even consider such a prophecy over all the other apparitions she has approved? Not a good idea. If there is any recogniciliaton, ‘an era of peace’ would the silence on the list of popes between Gloria Olivae and the Pope at the time of the AntiChrist. A silence that some mention is found in Rev 8:1 before the End times unroll. Since we have no way of knowing how long this period will be, we should conforted with the words of the present pope, that we are not at the End times.

Has she ‘disapproved’ Saint Malachy’s prophesies? If so, please tell me where and when.

Also, could you cite for me where Pope Benedict makes these assertions about the end times that you’ve been repeating. I really do want to get a clear picture of what the Church is sanctioning as authentic and if these prophesies are left up to personal beliefs or not.

 

[bones_IV]

seabird3579:

Has she ‘disapproved’ Saint Malachy’s prophesies? If so, please tell me where and when.

Also, could you cite for me where Pope Benedict makes these assertions about the end times that you’ve been repeating. I really do want to get a clear picture of what the Church is sanctioning as authentic and if these prophesies are left up to personal beliefs or not.

Trust in what the Church teaches don’t put your trust in prophecies. I will answer that question if you can answer me this question. Are you getting your information from spiritdaily.org? If so, stay the HECK away from the site. Many Catholics are decieved and mislead by this site. The Church doesn’t say that the prophecies attributed to him are actually his. It is highly unreasonable to put much credence to them.

 

[seabird3579]

bones_IV:

Trust in what the Church teaches don’t put your trust in prophecies. I will answer that question if you can answer me this question. Are you getting your information from spiritdaily.org? If so, stay the HECK away from the site. Many Catholics are decieved and mislead by this site. The Church doesn’t say that the prophecies attributed to him are actually his. It is highly unreasonable to put much credence to them.

Here is what the Church teaches:

Private revelations are up to the individual, they may believe or not believe. It is their choice.

That is why I asked you to cite for me where and when Pope Benedict talks about the “end times” as you say he has. Can you post the link or encyclical, if there is one?

 

[HappyCatholic01]

My buddy Pete is from Rome, NY originally. I’ll mention it to him

 

[bones_IV]

HappyCatholic01:

My buddy Pete is from Rome, NY originally. I’ll mention it to him

 

[bones_IV]

seabird3579:

Here is what the Church teaches:

Private revelations are up to the individual, they may believe or not believe. It is their choice.

That is why I asked you to cite for me where and when Pope Benedict talks about the “end times” as you say he has. Can you post the link or encyclical, if there is one?

He refers to the ‘newborn Church’ here. Other places he said that the Church is young. John Paul II said that the spring time in the Church is just beginning. This is why I refuse to place my faith in this prophecy alleged to be of St. Malachy.

Link

 

[Ace86]

bones_IV:

Trust in what the Church teaches don’t put your trust in prophecies. I will answer that question if you can answer me this question. Are you getting your information from spiritdaily.org? If so, stay the HECK away from the site. Many Catholics are decieved and mislead by this site. The Church doesn’t say that the prophecies attributed to him are actually his. It is highly unreasonable to put much credence to them.

Hmm, what’s wrong with SpiritDaily.org? I started going to it a few weeks ago. It seemed okay to me, except they always seemed a bit to be ‘doom and gloom’

 

[bones_IV]

Ace86:

Hmm, what’s wrong with SpiritDaily.org? I started going to it a few weeks ago. It seemed okay to me, except they always seemed a bit to be ‘doom and gloom’

Well, it promotes unapproved apparitions for one thing. Fails to differentiate on Protestant and Catholic subject matters. Bookstore contains some controversial authors and titles. It also has links to heterodox Catholic sites. And a large number of non-catholic and secular sites.

 

[Ace86]

bones_IV:

Well, it promotes unapproved apparitions for one thing. Fails to differentiate on Protestant and Catholic subject matters. Bookstore contains some controversial authors and titles. It also has links to heterodox Catholic sites. And a large number of non-catholic and secular sites.

Maybe someone should start a thread about them.