I have studied a lot of different religions, but I have no idea where that came from. To believe this you have to believe that he did not come in the flesh in the first place, that he was not resurrected in the flesh in the first place, and both of these were heresies resolved in the Church’s early years.I’m okay, thank you.
I agree with that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. My post did not imply otherwise. But, I forgot why I asked that question. How do questions imply a claim especially in response to something that claimed the contrary to what the Truth is?
Could you point me to the post where you showed proof that the DNA of Jesus matches the DNA of Mary? Thank you.
No… That was not my proof. One would think that if Mary gave birth to Jesus that Jesus would have Mary’s flesh. I believe the child in the surrogate scenario also has the DNA of the surrogate mother. Even if not, the surrogate mother theory is ill-founded. Who did Jesus get His own flesh from? Mary. Yes, He is the New Adam, but this is one of the dissimilarities. He was born of a woman. This one fact should prove to you that Jesus" “DNA” has Mary’s “DNA”. This is not an opinion. This is biology 101, or at least it should be. Can you prove that He did not have Mary’s DNA? The fact that He was the Son of Man should definitively prove that He was born of Man (although strange that it is from a woman but you get the point) and hence, had the DNA of that certain person.
The term “Mother of God” is problematic to non-Catholics. She is the Mother of the Second Person of the Trinity in His earthly incarnation. Obviously, Mary is not pre-existent of God, and in that sense she could not be His mother, and I doubt any Catholic would dispute that.
Yes, of course. But that isn’t the intent of “Mother of God” in the first place.
You should reference your “thoughts”. Speaking of which, do you have any of your own?
Pathetic.
So, you mean if you negate her presence at His Incarnation and Crucifixion, then she has no role other than Jewish traditions and such. I hope you see the mistake in that.
She is not adored or worshipped! We pray to ask for intercession as we are all called to be mediators even if Christ is the One Mediator. Just like Christ is the Good Shephard, He Himself sends out other shephards to tend His sheep. About the images and statues and such, you fail to realize that God Himself made us in His image! The Commandment was for us not to have them as false idols and worship them. Not strictly to NOT have any images, statues or pictures or what not. Do you disobey by having a picture of a deceased relative, a sculpture of an angel or a cross without Christ (which in my opinion is blasphemy but what do I know)?
Agreed.
So, a perfect submission to God’s will is nothing “more than a chosen vessel”. One would think that God is actually good.
Here we go again. Why do some Sola Scriptura advocates (not all) believe things that are not in the Bible (“Mary sinned”) and not believe things that are in the Bible (authority of a Church)? You seem so inclined to exactness in the Bible. Show me where it says, “Mary sinned.” Or anything similar with the specificity of Mary sinning. But, this we know. Jesus did not sin. He is an exception. If you are to isolate one verse, then you are to say that Jesus sinned. I know it is hard but if you actually look at the context of the whole Bible, you will find that not only Jesus is sinless, but Mary also. As the New Eve, she too was born sinless. Just like the New Adam (Jesus), He was born sinless. Go look up “Biblical Typology”.
So, much for St. Paul referring to members of the Church as “holy ones”.
If you actually knew what “Mother of God” actually meant, you would not disagree with it. Mother of God is ChristoLOGICAL.
That verse actually proves our point. Mary is not full of grace by her own doing.
That verse has nothing to do with Mary’s being Queen of Heaven. Look at the typology of the Old Testament in the Davidic Kingdom and then look at Revelations 12.
Not allegedly… There is proof. Revelations 12. But, you will deny that it is even Mary when you have no clue who it is. People say Israel, but the fact is that that woman has to be somebody. So, who is it?
Not just Mary. All the angels and saints and martyrs, who are virtually non-existent outside of Christmas in whatever church you go to. But, yes Co-redeemer just states that Mary’s consent in saying yes brought Jesus into the world to redeem the world. Do you really deny that she brought Him into this world? Do you even know what “Christology” means? Any doctrine of Mary is centered on Christ.
I guess you pray for absolutely nobody. If you do, then your “No one can pray for another” theory is completely wrong and un-Christian.
Bible Christians are amazed and saddened because they have no idea what the full Truth of Christianity is. Look at all the whole in your doctrine. Faith Alone/FaithandWorks, ScriptureOnly/SacredTraditionandScripture, HeavenandHell/HeavenHellPurgatory… The Church added nothing. God spoke. The Apostles listened. They wrote some. The taught everything.
So, tell me. Who teaches you Sola Scriptura outside of the Bible? The Bible clearly says in Acts that we need somebody to teach us. So, if somebody teaches you Scripture, then your claim is false. If somebody does not teach you, then you are disobeying God’s Word. Pick your poison. Disobedience or come to the Church.
Let’s start simple, and determine what things we may actually agree on, but just have different definitions for.
Not the serpent?
She was at the foot of the cross!! Is that a dimished role?
You know, Catholics here are quite capable of defending their faith, but I must encourage you, as a fellow non-catholic, to know of what you criticize. Adoration is reserved for God alone. Worship has various meanings. Worship of God, latria, is different than dulia, that form of veneration for the saints and Mary. Pray also has various meanings, including to ask earnestly.
I see no evidence that Catholics do otherwise.
So, you agree, then, that, since all have sinned, infants should be baptized for the remission of sin?
You believe these things not to be true.
I also believe the Blessed Virgin and the saints intercede with Christ for the Church Militant, in a similar way you do when a loved one is ill. That is intercessory prayer. And no one is denying that Christ is the sole mediator with the Father.
This is plainly false.
With the false goddess charge, you already did.
And all the people who have searched the scriptures for centuries, and have come to the belief that Mary is Holy Theotokos, Mother of God, the God-bearer, including the reformationists, were wrong?
Read it again. God is telling the SERPENT that the woman’s offspring will crush his head - not the other way around.
I cannot expect you to believe anything in which you have not had an experience to inform that belief. WHen I considered atheism the only reason I did not so stay was recollection of an experience involving prayer that I could not explain as a coincidence which had 3rd party witnesses. That was a decade before I cam back to accepting Christianity. It did not teach me what to believe about God, just that I would be a liar to say I did not believe in God, just as the expereince when I accepted Christianity (nearly 10 years before I became Catholic) did not teach me to hold to any particular Christian group.