Any opinions on these books from my son's Catholic high school English class?

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Really, that happens where you live? Because where I live we paid 100% of the bill for our 3 children to attend Catholic school, even when the elementary school was a parish school.
The tuition doesn’t cover the full expense of a parish school, not even close. That’s why there are raffle tickets to sell, bingos to be held and other events so the church subsidizes the tuition big time. Its also why non-Catholic parents or Catholic parents who aren’t giving members of the church are hit for a higher tuition in many place.
 
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I trust what people say more than academia when it comes to such things. In an case, this is just one case where it shows that angst and situational morality is not needed for great fiction. Clear moral teaching values can also produce solid literature.

I do find it interesting though that such a great book is never listed as something to be read in school. I would think it would be a no-brainer in a Catholic high school.
 
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Oh, I know people love it – and I used the winking face because I recognize it’s a classic. I just found it so incredibly boring, and I really, really wanted to love it.
 
I don’t think your son will get as much from an online course as from being in a class. The other members in the class and the teacher can challenge his thinking more in a class setting.
 
In my high school, we were allowed to pick any Lord of the Rings book or The Hobbit to do our British Literature research paper on.

My high school even used to have a semester-long elective course studying all things Tolkien. I don’t know why they got rid of it.
 
You can’t shelter them forever. In college I had to read Lolita
 
No one suggested students be sheltered forever. This is in high school, a Catholic high school. As I said above, it is called parenting. Non-parents need not understand.
 
I agree – but what I don’t agree with is his decision that books he isn’t taking the time to read are not worth reading. He simply won’t know unless he reads them.
 
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I think it is great you are concerned. Almost all literary effort involve sin if they are dealing with conflict.
It is actually a good chance to bring up the topic and discuss it. I would not fear your child reading those books in a Catholic school.
 
English prof. here. I’d deem them all appropriate for that level in school. Are they the best choice? Maybe or maybe not, but it could be far worse. I am not in favor of censorship at that age. However, as others have mentioned as a parent I would definitely read them myself and foster critical conversation at home. I would also have a home curriculum of works that are more “classical,” because English studies today tend to ignore these for topics of race, class, and gender. Your kid will get plenty of this in college, so good training in critical skills–how to recognize a good book over a bad or mediocre one–is invaluable. It is a lifetime skill and well worth your time.
 
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Yes, I know, we did all that too. Then the parish school and the high school were combined by the archdiocese, and became a private school, only Catholic school available. If you went there, you paid for it.
 
If it’s a Catholic school, and any of the ideas in the book go against the Catholic teachings, then I would assume that the teacher will use it as an opportunity to talk about corruption in society, about how popular media are used to justify immoral behaviors, and so on.

I have only read The Lord of the Flies, and I see absolutely no problem with letting my children read it. The boys described in the book are EXTREMELY un-Christian, but certainly a good teacher will use this as a cautionary tale, to the children’s benefit.
 
My advice as the parent of two recent high school graduates is to read the books yourself. If your child is in high school, he or she is going to be an adult before you know it. When that happens, your child will get to choose whether or not to listen to you. Now is the time to forge your reputation with your child as a person who can think about things in a nuanced way rather than just a black-and-white way, that you are someone who knows what she believes, why she believes it, and who knows how to talk about it to other people who have a right to their own opinions.

You want your child to become an adult who values your opinions and trusts you to let your child have his or her opinions. That doesn’t mean you go for the “everyone has an equally correct opinion” myth. It means your child can trust you as someone who will listen to what they think without attempting to do their thinking for them. Even when they agree with you, you can talk about how to disagree with others in a respectful way (if your child usually agrees with you, which is entirely possible).

Your child is going to get some reading lists in college that he or she will not agree with. It is worthwhile to know how to navigate that, and you can help them with that, as well.
 
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The only book on your list that I’ve read is Secret Life of Bees. I read it because my older daughter loved it and sent it to me, and I loved it, too. There is a huge emphasis in the book on the adoration of the “Black Madonna.” As a Catholic, I really liked this.

The story was about a young girl who runs away from a bad situation and stays with a black woman who keeps bees and is involved in the adoration of the Black Madonna. I don’t remember too much more of the plot, but it was a good story that took me about three hours to read, and it was one of those books that I had a hard time putting down for tasks like my job, sleeping, eating, etc.

My only problem with it for high school is that it is definitely a woman’s book, what we would call a “beach read.” and I think many of the boys won’t “get it.” You’re a man–do you “get it” when your wife buys nubby “textured” pillows, asks if the plaster can be stripped in the upstairs bedrooms because there might be “shiplap” underneath, and spends three hours making biscuits from scratch instead of breaking open the Pillsbury Crescent rolls, all the while quoting someone named Joanna Gaines?

OTOH, perhaps your son might find himself better understanding “girls” and “women” by reading this “chick book.” I don’t think it’s a distortion of what a young teenaged girl goes through when she’s growing up. It’s a little unusual compared to what most of us went through! But at the time I was growing up, I thought I was the only one experiencing all those emotions and insecurities and longings! So maybe it wasn’t so unusual after all.

I and my daughter have read other Sue Monk Kidd books and didn’t like them at all. But I don’t think the message in “Bees” is a harmful feminist indoctrination or will be harmful to your son or any of the others in the class. I think it’s a well-written “coming of age” story written for women, but useful for men.

I personally would rather the class read "The Member of the Wedding,’ which is also a wonderful coming of age story about a young girl and an older black woman. But that’s just me, and I’m not the teacher. I also happen to love Julie Harris and Ethel Waters, who starred in the Broadway production of this play.

Sorry I can’t help you with the other books. My husband is a huge fan of Lord of the Flies, which he had to read in Junior High. I agree with others that this is a classic that has been taught to teenagers for decades. I missed it though, but I think in my class that we had to read Call of the Wild, which I really hated and I told the teacher why I hated it, and got an A on my report. In my opinion, this would be a better “boys” coming of age story, but there’s a lot of blood in it. Icky.

I think it’s a good education for children and teens to be required to read books that they don’t like and more importantly, to be taught to articulate in writing and speech WHY they don’t like the book. A lot of people nowadays would profit immensely if they had those skills–perhaps all the Trump haters would actually be worth listening to if they could say something other than, “He’s such a idiot.”
 
I agree – but what I don’t agree with is his decision that books he isn’t taking the time to read are not worth reading. He simply won’t know unless he reads them.
I haven’t made that decision. If I had, I wouldn’t be asking for (name removed by moderator)ut here. Now, it is true that based on what I have read about these books here and elsewhere, I suspect that these books are less worthwhile to read than a number of other books that could be chosen. But that is different than saying I am sure that they are not worth reading at all – I am not saying that.
 
I am not in favor of censorship at that age.
Once again, what on earth does this have to do with censorship? Any time that one set of books is chosen for students to read in school, that means that other books are not chosen. Is my son’s Catholic school censoring Dante, Augustine, Homer, Dickens, and Twain, because no writings by those authors are read in class? I don’t think so, and I also don’t think I am engaging in censorship if I question the books that they have chosen.
 
Austen’s books are well-written, and they have shaped out culture, yes. However they are some of the most worldly things I’ve ever read. I would much rather have my child read a book like Nickel and Dimed or The Bean Trees than read Austen’s garbage. It’s not educational, it’s frivolous.
 
It’s hard to say what the teacher’s point is in assigning these specific books. We really don’t even know whether the teacher is the one who chose these books or whether they are part of the English curriculum and all English teachers in the school who teach this course are required to cover them. Let’s remember that individual teachers hardly have complete control of the subject matter they teach. In fact, apart from the students, the teacher may not even agree with the points of view expressed in some of the books. Ideally, however, whoever chose the books may have in mind that the students develop a better appreciation and empathy for other people’s perspectives, who come from different cultures, genders, races, classes, ages.
 
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There is also something to be said for quality of instruction as opposed to quantity of subject matter covered. In other words, it’s not necessarily the number of books read that matters but the way in which the themes in the books are discussed and what the lessons learned may be, as well as the style of writing linked to the subject matter. Many students believe that education means covering a lot of stuff but most teachers know better. On the other hand, your teacher may have really been inept–I don’t know!
 
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