Any pentecostals or charismatics here?

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Hi. Yes, that would how I like to respond to them. I see them in the context of different gifts given by God for the purpose to serve.

If we look at Paul’s time, Christian community had begun to grow in different parts of the Roman empire that the apostles needed helpers to manage them - thus different services needed to be handled by different people.

They were one body, believers under the jurisdiction of the apostles but who now needed extra helpers. The apostles were apointed by Jesus and during Pentecost they were given gifts of the Holy Spirit. But as Christian community expanded to different areas obviously they needed people to manage these churches who served according to the gift each had.
 
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Do you understand what you are saying when you’re praying in tongues?
 
No. I have faith that God will give me utterance and that He will protect me from uttering blasphemous things. That’s one of the objections I often see get put forward; the idea that you could be saying evil things if you pray in tongues. I know why I’m praying and I know that I’m passionately in the presence of the Holy Spirit when I pray in tongues, but only He knows what I’m saying.

To make a long story short, no I don’t understand what the words mean, but the Holy Spirit does know. I have the gift of tongues, but I don’t have the gift of tongue interpretation.
 
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I understand. To which pentecostal sect do you belong? Anyone there claims to have the gift to interpret tongues?
 
I don’t belong to any pentecostal church. I go to a baptist church. I’ve been going to it for over a year and I’ve never seen anyone speak in tongues. I guess the reason it never comes up is because it’s not an issue. Some will be for it and many will be against it, but in the end, we are all brothers and sisters and we shouldn’t let our position on tongues divide us.
 
Saint Paul describes in the New Testament: praying in tongues to God and not understanding what one is actually saying.
‘Though I pray in the tongues of angels and of men more than all of you, I wish for you all to pray in tongues. For the one who prays in tongues edifies himself, for he does not understand what he is saying. But in him the Holy Spirit utters understandable groans to God. Pray that you may interpret tongues, for then you will pray with understanding.’

The catholic charismatic renewal which is approved by the Vatican, has an international mass presided over by the Pope in the Vatican each year, and at this mass time is given for all to pray in tongues aloud for the Popes intentions. This has been done at each Vatican charismatic mass each year with the last 4 Popes. Pope John Paul I stopped his walk to the altar while all the charismatics were singing and praying in tongues for him at one such annual Vatican International Charismatic Mass and said in approval: ‘This is the Church.’ (That this charism and New Pentecost, is for the church.)
 
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Do not understand your comment…

That quote is from THE BIBLE.

And the second quote is from POPE JOHN PAUL I.

So it is not a personal opinion but a biblical quote and Papal quote.
 
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Saint Paul mentions it in the bible, so it is not an opinion, but actually a biblical fact.
 
I finished the Pentecostal Seminary and got a bachelor of theology, but I didn’t become a Pentecostal.😁
I love and respect Pentecostals and Сharismatic people, but I understand their vulnerability and their shortcomings.
 
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Sometimes something like this is written and simply astounds me. What you presented is totally in line with my non-Catholic understanding of how to live a Christian life.
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We have much more in common than not. 😃
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Would you agree that in a nutshell , it is not only how to live the spirituality of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, but also how to live a truly fulfilled Christian life aside from denominationalism?
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Yes, but the vast majority of Catholics have never been introduced to the Charismatic gifts, and they are neglected in the Church for lack of understanding and catechesis.
 
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Nothing about being not understood!
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He’s paraphrasing, but it is in 1 Corinthians 14.

2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. . . . 5 The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

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13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. 16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? 17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

The point of all this is that people who speak in tongues cannot understand what they are saying (their minds are unfruitful), neither can others around them understand. They need the gift of interpretation to make sense out of what they are saying.
 
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Hi Itwin, what do you think Paul is saying in verse 18, it sounds rather strange?
 
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Hi Itwin, what do you think Paul is saying in verse 18, it sounds rather strange?
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“18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.”

I’m not sure. As St. Chrysostom said in Homily 29, “This whole place is very obscure . . .”

What my “educated guess” would be is that Paul is referring to the fact that he has been particularly used in this gift (and possibly paired with interpretation) in the past. It’s a way for him to say, “Look, I’m not against the gift–in fact, I myself operate in this gift more than you all–but you’re doing it wrong.”
 
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Hi Itwin, what do you think Paul is saying in verse 18, it sounds rather strange?
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“18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.”

I’m not sure. As St. Chrysostom said in Homily 29, “This whole place is very obscure . . .”

What my “educated guess” would be is that Paul is referring to the fact that he has been particularly used in this gift (and possibly paired with interpretation) in the past. It’s a way for him to say, “Look, I’m not against the gift–in fact, I myself operate in this gift more than you all–but you’re doing it wrong.”
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I have been in services where someone addresses the whole assembly in tongues and when finished immediately gives the interpretation in English. That particular action has always given me inward turmoil. It seems to me, interpretation should come from someone else who has not previously communicated with the originator. To me it seems like the scenario I just described is not a proper action of interpretation. In my part of the world, the whole “charismatic movement” was quite popular even amongst Catholics including some priests about 30 years ago. The whole emphasis on tongues was most often quite divisive. I do not hear much about it anymore.
 
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I have been in services where someone addresses the whole assembly in tongues and when finished immediately gives the interpretation in English. That particular action has always given me inward turmoil. It seems to me, interpretation should come from someone else who has not previously communicated with the originator. To me it seems like the scenario I just described is not a proper action of interpretation. In my part of the world, the whole “charismatic movement” was quite popular even amongst Catholics including some priests about 30 years ago. The whole emphasis on tongues was most often quite divisive. I do not hear much about it anymore.
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Typically, in my church, the person who interprets is different from the one who speaks in tongues. Sometimes, it might be the same person. It’s never bothered me, but I suppose in certain circumstances it could be seen as a “conflict of interest” type thing. Separating the interpretation from the messenger itself serves as a way to keep one person from just saying whatever they want.

In my experience, there are more people who can speak in tongues than interpret. The number of possible interpreters are smaller than the possible tongue speakers.
 
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A person is made up of spirit, soul and body, this
accounts for the spiritual, rational and physical as-
pects of mankind. The secular world would have
us concentrate on the latter two and neglect the
spiritual aspect of the Church, but that is a Great
mistake, it is only the Spirit that gives life(Jn. 6:63)
And only when we see our THIRST for God’s Holy
Spirit that we can be REVIVED spirit, soul AND
body!!(Jn 4:14; Rev. 7:16)
 
Can you explain the difference between soul and spirit.
 
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@Reuben_J The soul is your mind, the RATIONAL
part of your being that allows you to DECIDE, or
have free will. The spirit is the “heart” that yearns
for union w/ God, it thirsts for the Living God. See
Ps. 84:2
 
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