Any SSPX "converts" to Rome out there?

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I’m just wondering if anybody here used to adhere to the SSPX arguments and now believes in the licitness of the Novus Ordo. If so, what brought you back?

My family used to go back & forth between the Novus Ordo and Tridentine rite Mass every other weekend, but husband now attends SSPX chapel exclusively. It’s been very difficult for our marriage & kids.

Thanks much.
 
I believe officially the SSPX accepts the Novus Ordo as valid.
 
Even if that’s true (referring to Dan’s post), SSPX chapels are still off limits to Catholics.

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Even if that’s true (referring to Dan’s post), SSPX chapels are still off limits to Catholics.

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I am aware. I just meant the validity of the Novus Ordo isn’t the meat of the issue. It’s the whole issue of obedience and collegiality.
 
Even if that’s true (referring to Dan’s post), SSPX chapels are still off limits to Catholics.

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I don’t want to derail this thread, but I’m interested to know what you mean by this. I attended an SSPX mass once, simply because it was the only TLM performed in the city I was living in at the time besides what was, from what I’d heard, a very small, overcrowded, usually Low, indult mass performed by an extremely old priest in an ugly little modern worship space (this was a year or two before Summorum Pontificum). I went simply to observe the Liturgy and did not receive communion. Is that kind of visit somehow forbidden, or do you just mean membership in and receiving communion at SSPX parishes is forbidden?
 
I don’t want to derail this thread, but I’m interested to know what you mean by this. I attended an SSPX mass once, simply because it was the only TLM performed in the city I was living in at the time besides what was, from what I’d heard, a very small, overcrowded, usually Low, indult mass performed by an extremely old priest in an ugly little modern worship space (this was a year or two before Summorum Pontificum). I went simply to observe the Liturgy and did not receive communion. Is that kind of visit somehow forbidden, or do you just mean membership in and receiving communion at SSPX parishes is forbidden?
I don’t know much of the SSPX and their relation to the Holy See, but from what I do know, you would be fine in merely observing their rites. Participation is forbidden, but observation is not (I could be wrong, and if I am I hope someone corrects me :)).
 
I believe officially the SSPX accepts the Novus Ordo as valid.
Yes - they accept the validity of the Novus Ordo, but they do not accept its licitness. Regardless, my original question still stands.
 
You are right one cannot receive Holy Communion - however that being said - if one cannot receive Holy Communion by the precepts going exclusively to SSPX one cannot fulfill the precepts of the Church as one will not be able to fulfill their yearly Confession and Eucharist obligation. I would highly suggest your husband finds a non-SSPX TLM mass in your area.
 
When I converted to Catholicism in 1977, one thing that attracted me was the sense of history, of connection to the ages, of doing what the faithful had been doing for centuries; and it seemed to me that nearly everyone else in the Church was rushing headlong the other way, scattering vestments, monstrances, hymnals and prayer books behind them as they went in desperate quest of ugly burlap banners, copies of Kumbaya, and the trendiest heresies. The Diocese of Charlotte’s education office even sent out tape sets that explicitly contradicted the Council of Trent! It was easy to think, in those days of swimming against the current and trying to preserve a few of the beauties of worship and art which were despised or ignored because they were old, and the inerrant, though vague, “spirit of Vatican II” mandated that we throw out everything old, no matter how uplifting, and embrace everything new, like clown masses, that the Church had lost her way, or been hijacked by modernists, as the council had allegedly been.
In this frame of mind, attending a week-long Ignatan retreat hosted by the SSPX in Ridgefield in 1980 was like a revelation. I had never in my life attended a Tridentine Mass, and the one that ended the retreat is still one of the most profounly moving liturgies I have ever attended. I was hooked. Here, it seemed, was the Church of the Ages I had sought in my home parish, only to find wishy-washy priests and the rather flat, everyday prose of the Novus Ordo.
However, none of the trappings, the Latin and Gregorian Chant and wonderfully contemplative liturgy, could mask forever the basic contradiction that you can’t have traditional Catholicism in opposition to the Pope and virtually the whole Church. Plus I noted disturbing trends of paranoia and anti-semitism in the Society, and eventually even reading many defenses and meeting Archbishop Lefebvre himself, I couldn’t stay. But returning to Catholicism, in full communion with the Pope and the bishops, has been a long, circuitous route, with many bizarre twists and turns irrelevant here. Reading a book called The Pope, the Council, and the Mass, by James Likoudis and Kenneth D. Whitehead, put the final nail in the coffin of my attraction to the SSPX. The authors list every major traditionalist argument against the Council and the new liturgy and decisively demolish them all. No one with an open mind can read this book and think the SSPX has a leg to stand on afterward. I wish I had read it in 1981, when it first came out; it might have saved me years of floundering.
I am, however, happy to see that in my parish respect for traditional Catholic practices like Benediction, Stations, the Rosary, and occasional Latin in the Mass (eg the “agnus dei”) have filled the pews and satisfied young and old alike. I look forward to the new liturgy, and hope it fulfills the promise of being more majestic and reverent.
 
What is SSPX?
The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is a self-proclaimed “Traditionalist Catholic” orgainization in an irregular situation with the Holy See (it seems to me personally that they should be considered to be in schism, though others will dispute that).

Here’s the Wikipedia article on them, though I assume the second sentence is a typo and should read “For disciplinary rather than doctrinal reasons, the society has no canonical status in the Catholic Church and, because of that lack of canonical status, the ministries exercised by its ministers are not legitimate in the Church.” (Emphasis mine to show where I made a change). Actually though it seems to me that SSPX’s chronic disobedience to Rome, presumption to cast judgement on the teachings of the modern Magisterium, etc. suggest an implicit heresy regarding the structure and authority of the Church, but I’m just a layman and don’t have the power to proclaim people heretics.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_St._Pius_X
 
When I converted to Catholicism in 1977, one thing that attracted me was the sense of history, of connection to the ages, of doing what the faithful had been doing for centuries; and it seemed to me that nearly everyone else in the Church was rushing headlong the other way, scattering vestments, monstrances, hymnals and prayer books behind them as they went in desperate quest of ugly burlap banners, copies of Kumbaya, and the trendiest heresies. The Diocese of Charlotte’s education office even sent out tape sets that explicitly contradicted the Council of Trent! It was easy to think, in those days of swimming against the current and trying to preserve a few of the beauties of worship and art which were despised or ignored because they were old, and the inerrant, though vague, “spirit of Vatican II” mandated that we throw out everything old, no matter how uplifting, and embrace everything new, like clown masses, that the Church had lost her way, or been hijacked by modernists, as the council had allegedly been.
In this frame of mind, attending a week-long Ignatan retreat hosted by the SSPX in Ridgefield in 1980 was like a revelation. I had never in my life attended a Tridentine Mass, and the one that ended the retreat is still one of the most profounly moving liturgies I have ever attended. I was hooked. Here, it seemed, was the Church of the Ages I had sought in my home parish, only to find wishy-washy priests and the rather flat, everyday prose of the Novus Ordo.
However, none of the trappings, the Latin and Gregorian Chant and wonderfully contemplative liturgy, could mask forever the basic contradiction that you can’t have traditional Catholicism in opposition to the Pope and virtually the whole Church. Plus I noted disturbing trends of paranoia and anti-semitism in the Society, and eventually even reading many defenses and meeting Archbishop Lefebvre himself, I couldn’t stay. But returning to Catholicism, in full communion with the Pope and the bishops, has been a long, circuitous route, with many bizarre twists and turns irrelevant here. Reading a book called The Pope, the Council, and the Mass, by James Likoudis and Kenneth D. Whitehead, put the final nail in the coffin of my attraction to the SSPX. The authors list every major traditionalist argument against the Council and the new liturgy and decisively demolish them all. No one with an open mind can read this book and think the SSPX has a leg to stand on afterward. I wish I had read it in 1981, when it first came out; it might have saved me years of floundering.
I am, however, happy to see that in my parish respect for traditional Catholic practices like Benediction, Stations, the Rosary, and occasional Latin in the Mass (eg the “agnus dei”) have filled the pews and satisfied young and old alike. I look forward to the new liturgy, and hope it fulfills the promise of being more majestic and reverent.
Thanks for sharing. It’s always good to have someone who is intimately acquainted share their experience.
 
Even if that’s true (referring to Dan’s post), SSPX chapels are still off limits to Catholics.
Considering that everyone who goes to an SSPX chapel is a Catholic, that’s an odd thing to say. Indeed, individuals have written to the pontifical commision Ecclesia Dei and asked if they could go to Mass at SSPX chapels and were told:
  1. It is not recommended to go to Mass at an SSPX chapel
  2. However, one may do so for legitimate reasons (e.g. no other traditional Mass in the area)
  3. One may receive Holy Communion
  4. One may contribute a small amount to the collection.
  5. One must not “adhere to a schismatic mentality”
 
Considering that everyone who goes to an SSPX chapel is a Catholic, that’s an odd thing to say. Indeed, individuals have written to the pontifical commision Ecclesia Dei and asked if they could go to Mass at SSPX chapels and were told:
  1. It is not recommended to go to Mass at an SSPX chapel
  2. However, one may do so for legitimate reasons (e.g. no other traditional Mass in the area)
  3. One may receive Holy Communion
  4. One may contribute a small amount to the collection.
  5. One must not “adhere to a schismatic mentality”
This is kinda true, yes. SSPX is all very confusing, at least to me. Here’s a helpful AAA answer from a few years ago:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=85351&highlight=sspx+mass+valid
 
Considering that everyone who goes to an SSPX chapel is a Catholic, that’s an odd thing to say. Indeed, individuals have written to the pontifical commision Ecclesia Dei and asked if they could go to Mass at SSPX chapels and were told:
  1. It is not recommended to go to Mass at an SSPX chapel
  2. However, one may do so for legitimate reasons (e.g. no other traditional Mass in the area)
How interesting.
  • The SSPX is not in full communion
  • The OF is a perfectly valid mass
  • If one cannot find a traditional mass in the neighborhod, it’s okay to go to an SSPX chapel? Why not go to an OF?
These are mixed messages. Just like the phrase valid but illicit.

That’s why so many traditional folks borderline support the SSPX.
 
Considering that everyone who goes to an SSPX chapel is a Catholic, that’s an odd thing to say. Indeed, individuals have written to the pontifical commision Ecclesia Dei and asked if they could go to Mass at SSPX chapels and were told:
  1. It is not recommended to go to Mass at an SSPX chapel
  2. However, one may do so for legitimate reasons (e.g. no other traditional Mass in the area)
  3. One may receive Holy Communion
  4. One may contribute a small amount to the collection.
  5. One must not “adhere to a schismatic mentality”
Why is that an odd thing to say? The SSPX itself has admitted that there are “disputed doctrinal issues” between its beliefs and those of Catholics still adherent to Rome.
(Quote from “Press Release from the General Superior of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X” July 7, 2007, in response to the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum.)
 
How interesting.
  • The SSPX is not in full communion
  • The OF is a perfectly valid mass
  • If one cannot find a traditional mass in the neighborhod, it’s okay to go to an SSPX chapel? Why not go to an OF?
That last one’s an especially good point, TrueLight. I’d rather go to an Ordinary Form mass that isn’t terribly traditional over an SSPX mass that is steeped in Latin and incense. Why? Because of obedience to my bishop and the desire to avoid the scandal of giving wind in the sails of a potentially schismatic group.

Obedience is an act of the will. The availability of a beautiful Extraordinary Form mass in my area is a circumstance, not an act of my will. (Heck, maybe it’s penance for me to hear a Marty Haugen tune! JK)
 
SGWessells,
Thank you so much for your detailed and thoughtful reply. It gives me hope!

I welcome any other people with experience with this (on-thread, hint hint…😉 Maybe the other comments would be more appropriately started on a new thread?)
 
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