Any stock market traders here?

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I understand. I know that day trading is extremely difficult. It is highly unlikely to succeed at day trading, but still possible. I have been re-introducing myself to the market for 3 days now and am starting to get it. I couldn’t believe all the options that are available now. Iron condors, butterflies, chipmunks,etc. New bells, whistles, presentations,etc , that are mostly useless for day traders.
 
And the short-sellers get everything.
Not true. They don’t get the assets, for instance.

Creditors in order of priority from highest to lowest. I’m going on memory here, so I might be off here and there:

secured creditors
general creditors divided in priority by filing date (includes bonds and pensions)
rent, bills and other debt not paid post-filing (bonds usually at the top here)
rent, bills and other debt not paid pre-filing
preferred stockholders
common stockholders

That is the usual order.

Note how bonds are included in the general creditor category, not secured debt. Secured debt is just what it says: debt secured by an asset. Like mortgages. But bonds are not secured debt; they’re just promises to pay. This is why when a payment on a bond is not made, the usual move for the bondholders is to declare default and force the company into bankruptcy as quickly as possible so that the debt they’re owed moves up the priority list over other debt.

Note that short sellers have no participation in this process. But since the shares they sold no longer exist, they generally get to keep the proceeds. That said, shorting a stock is one of the most volatile trades possible and one has to have a very strong thesis and a very strong stomach to do it. In theory, a short seller can lose big if the stock goes up a lot and he did it on margin, he can go broke easily. This is commonly known as the “short squeeze”. For a classic huge short squeeze, see the recent action on TSLA.

Some may recall GM’s bankruptcy in 2009 and how the process was taken over by the Obama Administration. Obama upset centuries of business bankruptcy precedents to get his buddies in the UAW placed ahead of the bondholders, but by doing that, he unknowingly screwed four other union pension plans that were major GM bondholders. Of course they made noise. Hence, it’s no coincidence we never saw him or anyone else pull that stunt again.
 
Yeah, how did the GM bankruptcy work ? Did we(the gov/taxpayers) bail them out ? Isn’t that some kind of discrimination ? I had a small company and could not get any help or bailout from the gov.
 
One could argue, it worked out well for the economy. That does not justify the handling of the bankruptcy, which was woefully unjust.
 
How did it work out well for the economy ?

It doesn’t seem right to me, but I don’t understand economics.
It makes me feel like a huge company doesn’t have to pay for their mistakes because the gov will bail them out.
It also makes it feel like they don’t have to be competitive. I don’t know.
 
Well, in late 2008, when the auto companies were given a bailout, there was definite fear by many that the we could be headed for anoyher great depression. And suto sales were falling off a cliff, as no one had any confidence to buy a new car (I believe sales in the US went from 16M cars in 2007 to 10M cars in 2009.
GM going under would have been quite a blow to the economy.
No one likes the need to pump billions of dollars into banks and car companies, but it sure as heck beat the alternative. One if the reasons the great depression was so bad was because the attitude was simple to let companies fail. Guess what? They did.

That was averted, but it was a near disaster.
 
Littlebird would be wise to listen to you. Also, you pay a fee every time you trade, correct? It would make much more sense to limit trading for that reason, as well.

And expecting more than a 50% return rate over a year is downright greedy and unrealistic.
 
No, there are many brokers now that don’t charge fees or commissions for trades.

I’ve already experienced gains way over 50%. It may be unrealistic for most.

TheMikado has just had different experience than me. Day trading is extremely difficult and risky but possible. It is probably safer to buy ETF’s and to use conservative brokers or investment firms.

I mentioned in a previous post that I have had successful experience day trading 20 years ago, but it was much much easier back then.
 
Of course if GM went under it would be bad for the economy but why couldnt someone else just bid on the plant and take it over ?
There may have been a transitional phase but 50,000 employees would still have their jobs.

Did GM still get to keep it’s board intact even after they have failed ?
 
Ok, I just started after 20 years. I think I gained about 80 percent 1st and 2nd day . Not sure about this week yet. I think less than 50 percent. I didn’t know about RCB’s. (Circuit breakers).
 
Regulatory circuit breaker. They can stop trading on individual stocks if they decide that the stock is trading too wildly. I think one of the formulas is if a stock rises or falls a certain percentage within a 5 minute period.
 
I haven’t experienced either (in 1999). I remember some trading halts, but nothing like in today’s market. I must have had at least 20 blocked (halted)trades today. Very frustrating.
 
Your investment defined as what? Your trading account value at the start of the day? Or based on individual trades you made during the day? Internal rate of return?

You have been turning a profit during one if the worst weeks ever. Have you been shorting individual sticks or buying puts?
 
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