If a man designs a sentient computer program that goes and invents a cure for cancer, he cannot honestly say that he was the one who invented that cure.The idea that the immense non-human complexity in the universe has a “natural way of arising” is precisely what is at issue. If such immense complexity can arise without intelligence yet produce everything that exists including human intelligence that in turn produces complex technology, then there is the assumption that the basic random elements of the universe have the ability through a completely non-intelligent process, without planning or purpose, to organize themselves to build universities and rockets to the moon. It is much easier to believe in God than to accept such a theory.
I prefer both the evidence and what seems more probable. The notion of rocks to rockets is much too illogical and improbable, and with the observable evidence of human intelligence creating complex technology, the existence of a “superior reasoning power” seems most likely as the explanation for the immense complexity of the universe.If a man designs a sentient computer program that goes and invents a cure for cancer, he cannot honestly say that he was the one who invented that cure.
I prefer to go with what the evidence suggests than what seems more probable.
It’s not rocks to rockets. As I said, the man who invents true AI cannot take credit for its accomplishments.I prefer both the evidence and what seems more probable. The notion of rocks to rockets is much too illogical and improbable, and with the observable evidence of human intelligence creating complex technology, the existence of a “superior reasoning power” seems most likely as the explanation for the immense complexity of the universe.
The “evidence” for your view should include observed abiogenesis as well as the observed speciation especially of organisms having very short lifespans and rapid reproduction cycles. Do you know of any recent scientific papers published in the last 5 years that report observed instances of speciation? If you have the names of articles and their authors, I can try to contact them.It’s not rocks to rockets. As I said, the man who invents true AI cannot take credit for its accomplishments.
The probability is broken up into an incredible amount of not-so-improbable steps, where successful biological agents have an edge over others. That’s how evolution works.
Where the evidence and what seems to be common sense conflict, I go with the evidence. Don’t forget, reality is unaffected by what we want it to be, rather, it is absolute.
Abiogenesis was something that only had to happen once in a 100-200 million year time window. I doubt that we’d observe it happening in a, what, 40 year window?The “evidence” for your view should include observed abiogenesis as well as the observed speciation especially of organisms having very short lifespans and rapid reproduction cycles. Do you know of any recent scientific papers published in the last 5 years that report observed instances of speciation? If you have the names of articles and their authors, I can try to contact them.
Please re-read my last post. I have asked a number of atheists to provide this information and some have done so, and in every case the scientist denies reporting observed speciation, e.g. Italian wall lizard, elephant species, koala species. But to make it easier I am asking for observed speciation of single celled species.Abiogenesis was something that only had to happen once in a 100-200 million year time window. I doubt that we’d observe it happening in a, what, 40 year window?
Speciation of large animals is another thing that probably would not occur within the last few decades. It’s a cumulative process, taking tens of millions of years (unless we have drastic environmental changes, and even then, it should take a few thousand at least).
Oh, well I don’t know of any that have been directly observed.Please re-read my last post. I have asked a number of atheists to provide this information and some have done so, and in every case the scientist denies reporting observed speciation, e.g. Italian wall lizard, elephant species, koala species. But to make it easier I am asking for observed speciation of single celled species.
This is what the apostolic succession is all about. Jesus Christ personally chose 12 men as apostles. The word means one who is sent out with a message…like an emissary. In relations between states, people don’t appoint themselves to this position. They are appointed by the head of state, and speak on behalf of the head of state. It’s an official position.…How does one establish the accreditation of an “accredited witness” btw?
Universal gravitation is invisible, too, but that hasn’t stopped us from nailing it down fairly well. What’s so special about God that he is invulnerable to science and reason?By God’s very nature, He cannot be subject to empirical evidence, since He cannot be observed.
Oh, really?This is what the apostolic succession is all about. Jesus Christ personally chose 12 men as apostles. The word means one who is sent out with a message…like an emissary. In relations between states, people don’t appoint themselves to this position. They are appointed by the head of state, and speak on behalf of the head of state. It’s an official position.
Not so. What convinces me of God are the hundreds of detailed messianic prophecies made hundreds of years before Jesus’ birth and recorded as fulfilled by credible eyewitnesses. If interested, I can give you a list.Oh, really?
So I should just believe anyone who turns up and claims to be appointed by God? Or who has been appointed by any organisation that claims to have been appointed by God?
Thanks, that makes it a lot simpler.
I’d be interested in that.Not so. What convinces me of God are the hundreds of detailed messianic prophecies made hundreds of years before Jesus’ birth and recorded as fulfilled by credible eyewitnesses. If interested, I can give you a list.
Gen. 3:15…Seed of a woman (virgin birth)…Luke 1:35, Mt 1:18-20I’d be interested in that.
Actually, I don’t even need all of that. What I would like to see is one messianic prophesy that states…,