Any word on Sacred Music from the USCCB?

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As the meeting winds down, has there been any mention of what the Bishops discussed and/or decided on the issue of Sacred Music?
 
I just called EWTN to see if the bishops have done anything. I was told that they made statements on abortion, guidelines for religious education, Greek Orthodox relations and election time. However, they’ve heard nothing yet. Believe it or not, someone in their liturgy department will call me as soon as they’ve heard something. The person I spoke to said that they may have tabled it for now, which is bad. That means the OCP and NMP lobby won out, which is ridiculous because the Church is not a democracy.

I wish Raymond Arroyo would have set up a blog to tell us what’s going on in Baltimore.
 
I doubt the USCCB will say or do anything about liturgical music.

OCP already has the guidelines from the USCCB commitee on liturgical music and will follow it.

The bottom line is, Its really not that big of an issue for the USCCB, when compared to other more serious issues.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I doubt the USCCB will say or do anything about liturgical music.

OCP already has the guidelines from the USCCB commitee on liturgical music and will follow it.

The bottom line is, Its really not that big of an issue for the USCCB, when compared to other more serious issues.

Jim
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Evidently, OCP never got the memo because they are still doing their own thing. And, yes, it is a big concern, especially since Rome wanted the USCCB to comply with Liturgicam Authenticam since 2002 (and USCCB was given a five-year window, which is now fixing to close). Did you not read the power point?

usccb.org/liturgy/MUSIC%20FDLCnew.ppt

It might open your eyes a bit.
 
Jim, you should be dancing in the aisles right now. From what Adoremus magazine told me, the document failed passage. I guess the OCP and NMP lobby won out.

Now, bear in mind that this is an unconfirmed report. I’m going to call EWTN to get some sort of confirmation. If this is, in fact, the case, then it’s a dark day for those of us who sought some true sacred music reform from the bishops.
 
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benedictgal said:
Jim, you should be dancing in the aisles right now. From what Adoremus magazine told me, the document failed passage. I guess the OCP and NMP lobby won out.

Now, bear in mind that this is an unconfirmed report. I’m going to call EWTN to get some sort of confirmation. If this is, in fact, the case, then it’s a dark day for those of us who sought some true sacred music reform from the bishops.
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:crying:
 
I called the USCCB offices this afternoon and left a message at the Secretariat for Divine Worship (the new name for the BCL). I should have something to report tomorrow.

A poster in the Worst Hymnal Thread asked me if fI were willing to write a letter to the Bishops (on our collective behalf, I think) expressing our angst at their inability to do something regarding sacred music. As I said earlier, I’m willing to do it, but I need to get confirmation that the tabling of the document actually happened.

I am going to work on this letter over the weekend and have something ready by Monday evening. Hey, if it works for the legislative process, why not try it here? After all, something greater is at stake.
 
Here’s some articles on what was passed, courtesy of Father Z:

USCCB MEETING: document on liturgical music - UPDATED ENTRY:
wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/usccb-meeting-document-on-liturgical-music

The USCCB document on Sacred Music UPDATE:
wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/the-usccb-document-on-sacred-music-update/

Things are moving on the sacred music front and the old guard is frightened:
wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/things-are-moving-on-the-sacred-music-front-and-the-old-guard-is-frightened/

In short, the good news is that the document does not have the force of law, since it eventually passed only as guidelines. The bad news is that since it is only guidelines, it doesn’t have to be sent to Rome for approval or comment, no matter what it says…
 
That’s a really wishy-washy approach to things and not what Rome had wanted. I am still going to write the letter because, as the way things are right now, it’s just perpetuating the problem.

Although Ann Richards wasn’t my favorite governor, she did have a good saying that I"ll quote: “You can put lipstick and pearls on a sow, but, she’ll still be a pig.”

Thank you, though, for the update. My computer is not letting me get into blogs, but, as soon as I get home, You are a God send.

I’ll be honest with you, I am still disappointed. :eek: :eek: But, I am hoping that when B16 comes here, he will have a lot to say to the bishops.
 
Rolltide said:
Here’s some articles on what was passed, courtesy of Father Z:

USCCB MEETING: document on liturgical music - UPDATED ENTRY:
wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/usccb-meeting-document-on-liturgical-music

The USCCB document on Sacred Music UPDATE:
wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/the-usccb-document-on-sacred-music-update/

Things are moving on the sacred music front and the old guard is frightened:
wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/things-are-moving-on-the-sacred-music-front-and-the-old-guard-is-frightened/

In short, the good news is that the document does not have the force of law, since it eventually passed only as guidelines. The bad news is that since it is only guidelines, it doesn’t have to be sent to Rome for approval or comment, no matter what it says…
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That’s good and what I expected, no real crackdown, let the diversity of music stay.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
That’s good and what I expected, no real crackdown, let the diversity of music stay.
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I don’t think that you fully understand the rammifications of all of this. While I’m not against diversity, there has to be conformity. Unfortunately, many of the hymns published today do not conform to basic Catholic doctrine and understanding of the Mass, are not universal (one of the mandates of Liturgicam Authenticam) and are too secular.

The document, as originally written, would have removed the current problem of relativism that exists in Sacred Music today. As Pope Benedict said, “One song is not as good as another” when it comes to sacred music. I direct you to this article:

adoremus.org/1107MassSongs.html

There is something seriously wrong when we think that anything goes when it comes to liturgical music. We can’t put our heads i the sand like ostriches and assume that everything’s okay. I
 
benedictgal said:
** There is something seriously wrong when we think that anything goes when it comes to liturgical music.** We can’t put our heads i the sand like ostriches and assume that everything’s okay. I
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And here is the problem :rolleyes: yes I’m sure the poster is hoping to add U-2’s song “One” to the Mass next week. Just because some of us are not having hissy fits over music doesn’t mean we are for “anything goes”
 
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anamchara said:
And here is the problem :rolleyes: yes I’m sure the poster is hoping to add U-2’s song “One” to the Mass next week. Just because some of us are not having hissy fits over music doesn’t mean we are for “anything goes”
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:eek: Shhhhhhsh! Don’t give them any ideas! :newidea:
 
anamchara said:
I haven’t read the links yet. I hope we still have our diversity.
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As I said earlier, “diversity” is what goes us in this mess in the first place. We need to have teeth to the regulations that were supposed to be in place.

Our big problem is that we have lost sight of the sacred, the majestic and the beautiful. It is a tragedy when we extol wholesale diversity at the expense of sacred traditions in music that the Church has held dear to her heart for many centuries.
 
Hello,
benedictgal said:
A poster in the Worst Hymnal Thread asked me if fI were willing to write a letter to the Bishops (on our collective behalf, I think) expressing our angst at their inability to do something regarding sacred music.
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Logistics question: How would we sign it? I doubt the Holy Father would be impressed with a bunch of usernames. 😛
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I doubt the USCCB will say or do anything about liturgical music.

OCP already has the guidelines from the USCCB commitee on liturgical music and will follow it.

The bottom line is, Its really not that big of an issue for the USCCB, when compared to other more serious issues.

Jim
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They are required by Rome to comply with Liturgicam Authenticam, which dealt with two issues, Liturgical texts and their faithful translation from Latin, and Liturgical Music.

One part, the texts, is nearing completion, but the bishops are tasked with having music comply with Liturgical Authenicam as well.
 
benedictgal said:
As I said earlier, “diversity” is what goes us in this mess in the first place. We need to have teeth to the regulations that were supposed to be in place.

Our big problem is that we have lost sight of the sacred, the majestic and the beautiful. It is a tragedy when we extol wholesale diversity at the expense of sacred traditions in music that the Church has held dear to her heart for many centuries.
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But remember the fine line between regulation and spirituality. Spirituality cannot be created by cold interpretations of the rules, it takes away from the humanity of the parish. That is where the warmth comes in when more than one are gathered in his name. How it is expressed varies by parish to parish worldwide.
 
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