Any young earth creationists out there?

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Can we just drop all of these childish absurdities of fanatical superstition and get on to working on solutions for solving the issues that plague our world?
 
buffalo said:
If you ask a philosophical question why be surprised at a philosophical answer?
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I did not ask a philosophical question. I asked what researchers following the evidence would conclude about a designer, if they were operation on the assumption one existed. I was interested in evidence based investigation and findings based on the material world. You’re the one who brought up scientists not asking for ID research funds. I’m trying to work out what the funds would be used to try and answer.
 
I replied to a post about why little research is being done.

You did not answer - Would you agree that government should fund ID research?
 
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What kind of research would you like funded? Neither the government nor anyone else funds ‘Science’. They fund specific projects, such as well-defined experiments or particular investigations. I feel sure that if anyone could develop an investigation which was likely to demonstrate ID, there would be several interested parties. I would be interested to know your ideas.
 
Another “children are starving in India” approach. Please don’t change the topic.
 
laylow said:
Can we just drop all of these childish absurdities of fanatical superstition and get on to working on solutions for solving the issues that plague our world?
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What exactly are the issues that need resolution depend on the reality of what it means to be human, who and why we are. This discussion is to that end. That troubles will always plague our world is pretty much axiomatic of both sides that sees the other as fanatical superstition. To be honest, I do what I can to bring more love, the lack of which is the perpetual wound of humanity, into the the world. I am fortunate in having sufficient opportunity to do so. My reading of others’ opinions and my postings on this thread are an expression of my hobby of figuring stuff out, which ultimately is a way to connect with and give glory to the Truth.
 
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I’m not sure what it would look like, that’s what I’m saying. The government doesn’t just go ‘here’s some money now go forth and do science!’. People submit research proposals that describe what they want to study and the potential gains from it. I’m still unclear what ID science is awaiting funding to do, and curious why private institutions haven’t stepped up. Was Darwin’s research government funded? The government can’t fund every idea that comes around you need to demonstrate the first steps yourself, otherwise we’re suddenly researching hundreds of religions’ creation stories.
 
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buffalo said:
Yet we pour money into the atheist creation myth.
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Raw numbers there are far more Christians believing in evolution than atheists, even if it’s a smaller %.

Regardless, what scientific ID research is being proposed and not funded.
 
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buffalo said:
Yet we pour money into the atheist creation myth.
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No. We pour money into specific proposals with specific objectives. May I ask again what precisely would you like funded with regard to ID? Is there a part of the world you think should be examined to search for evidence? Or a laboratory investigation that could be carried out? What evidence would you like to find that would demonstrate ID?
 
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Raw numbers there are far more Christians believing in evolution than atheists, even if it’s a smaller %.
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If you were to ask whether a person thought that random mutations and natural selection were the underlying processes to the diversity we see in creation, the response would be quite different than if it is merely about a belief in “evolution”. The word has different meanings and connotations.

To many people it has to do with a belief in dinosaurs and monkey-men. It’s a regurgitation of what they have heard all their lives.

For the elderly among us, it was the new vision of mankind, outside of the actual science but in the hearts of many people, influenced by Freddy Nietzsche, who saw beyond the quest for mediocrity that he considered to be Darwinism, to what is clearly a creative act, but by nature, he believed, driven by its inherent striving for power and supremacy from the earliest organic molecules to ourselves as homo sapiens. The multiplicity of organisms, their diversity and growing complexity in geological time was the the expression of and outcome of a will to power within each individual living being. Elaborating on such ideas, gazing into the human psyche, trying to formulate a new science of the mind, “Ciggy” Freud wrote about Eros and Thanatos - the basis of all instincts.

Materialistic understandings have taken over as the focus shifted to DNA. Individual lives and changes in their societies are reflective of one another. I have in some corner a box that contains a second edition of Dr Watson’s, James that is, textbook Molecular Biology of the Gene, from what I recall to have been an early seventies course related to that title. A whole new area of knowledge opened up and it was quite exciting to contemplate the hidden structures and processes that underlie nature.

Speaking about the now infamous Dr Watson, his scandalous, albeit consistent with the science, remarks have left him without an institute bearing his name (as opposed to Crick and Franklin) and having the dishonour of being the only recipient to sell his Nobel Prize medal for the money.

We have meandered back to the original point & the 2 belief systems involved in these discussions, one involving the Ground of our being (Atheism and Christianity) and the second dealing with the mechanics of nature (evolution and creationism). The primary reality has to do with our existence, who we are based on what we do. Some have said that it is in Dr Watson’s DNA to be objectionable. His behaviour might also be understood as a self-defeating way to feel superior by demeaning others, springing from a universal individual will to power being met with one’s inadequacies. The problem for Christians who believe in evolutionary processes is having to reconcile them with the realities of a living God who is intimately involved in every aspect of His creation, a final judgement and resurrection of the dead, and the reality of the Eucharist. It can all easily become symbolic relative to the illusory “concreteness” of the material world. Creationism must be at the core of any truly Christian understanding of existence.
 
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"Darwinism was once a well-fortified castle, with elaborate towers, moats, and battlements. It remained in that condition for well over 100 years—from the publication of “The Origin of Species” in 1859 to the Darwin Centennial and then for perhaps three decades after that. Today, however, it more closely resembles a house of cards, built out of flimsy icons rather than hard evidence, and liable to blow away in the slightest breeze. "—Tom Bethell, Darwin’s House of Cards (2017)
 
Mr Bethell has a whole sack full of interesting views on a whole sack full of subjects.
 
Lovely quote. Now do you have anything in mind upon which a wealthy benefactor could beneficially spend all this money you wish people would pour into ID? Supposing I offered you $100,000 (not that I ever could, but supposing I did) for you to allocate to any ID project of your choice, what sort of thing would you like to spend it on?
 
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Supposing I offered you $100,000 (not that I ever could, but supposing I did) for you to allocate to any ID project of your choice, what sort of thing would you like to spend it on?
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