Any young earth creationists out there?

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buffalo said:
Science has not disproved a real Adam and Eve.
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No, but it has asserted that, based on DNA and genetic diversity among living humans, there was no time at which a bottleneck of two ancestors existed. Rather, science suggests, there was at the best, a ‘bottleneck’ of a few thousands of hominins. (Notice what this assertion says: not “no fewer than a few thousand ensouled humans”, just “no fewer than a few thousand hominins”. After all, science cannot speak on the presence of souls.)

So, if Adam and Eve are our “first true human parents”, and this implies that they were the first humans with souls… then science will never be able to make a statement about them, per se. However, it will be able to speak to natural, physical features of hominins (which, of course, we are).
 
Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time

Studies re-date ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and 'mitochondrial Eve

The Book of Genesis puts Adam and Eve together in the Garden of Eden, but geneticists’ version of the duo — the ancestors to whom the Y chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA of today’s humans can be traced — were thought to have lived tens of thousands of years apart. Now, two major studies of modern humans’ Y chromosomes suggest that ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’ may have lived around the same time after all

https://www.nature.com/news/genetic-adam-and-eve-did-not-live-too-far-apart-in-time-1.13478

(Next thing ya know is they lived in the same place…)
 
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buffalo said:
Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time

Studies re-date ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and 'mitochondrial Eve
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** sigh ** 🤦‍♂️

You completely misunderstand what “Y-Chromosome Adam” and “mitochondrial Eve” are. They are not “genetic Adam and Eve”.
 
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Gorgias:
** sigh ** 🤦‍♂️

You completely misunderstand what “Y-Chromosome Adam” and “mitochondrial Eve” are. They are not “genetic Adam and Eve”.
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ROTFL - I think you do. I posted both links for a reason.
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Yes, but did you actually read them? From the article you cited:
All men living now, then, would have a Y chromosome descended from that one man — identified as Y-chromosome Adam. (The biblical reference is a bit of a misnomer because this Adam was by no means the only man alive at his time.)

Yet Hammer sees the discrepancy between the age of the Y-Adam and that of the mitochondrial eve as a “red herring”, and he, as many other population geneticists, bristles at the use of biblical names.
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Why would he “bristle at the use of biblical names”? Because he hates Christianity? Nah… it’s because the nicknames give the mistaken impression that we’re really talking about Adam and Eve:
Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosome Adam: common ancestors, but not unique ancestors

Wait just a second, you say – isn’t the evidence strong that modern humans descend from a population that has never numbered less than about 10,000 individuals (and as such, is a topic of significant theological consideration)? How is it, then, that all humans can share a single woman and single man as commonancestors? The short answer is that all humans do share a single man and single woman as common ancestors – but that these ancestors are not our unique, or sole, ancestors. Rather, they both come from that population of about 10,000 individuals.

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So, why the excitement over these two individuals? In many ways it’s overblown. These individuals are notable solely for being the last common ancestors of only one small part of our genomes (mitochondrial and Y-chromosome DNA, respectively). While an interesting fact, they were not noticeably different from others in their respective populations. If scientists had not labeled them with names alluding to the biblical narrative, they would likely be little-known among Christians.
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Yes, but did you actually read them? From the article you cited:
All men living now, then, would have a Y chromosome descended from that one man — identified as Y-chromosome Adam. (The biblical reference is a bit of a misnomer because this Adam was by no means the only man alive at his time.)

Yet Hammer sees the discrepancy between the age of the Y-Adam and that of the mitochondrial eve as a “red herring”, and he, as many other population geneticists, bristles at the use of biblical names.
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Start reading between the lines. Of course their agenda is to denigrate a real Adam and Eve.
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Gorgias said:
I think I’d prefer to ask you to read the lines themselves. This term is just a nickname for concepts that have nothing to do with the real Adam and Eve. 😉
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Understand the lines are written to not let the Divine Foot in the Door.
 
bobperk said:
Based on computer models. Using assumptions, extrapolations, etc. The results are not infallible.
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And we now know they were wrong. But, that is OK. Science is provisional and that is how it works they say. Except in this case.
 
Where is @Glark ? Vacation? Just checking in. Settings do not allow a PM. Hope all is well.
 
Let’s say he’s out of action for another week.
Hopefully he will be back, confrontational but toning it down a notch.
Hugh’s gone too. Not sure why.
 
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buffalo said:
They were not separated by 200,000 years as once thought for one.
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Yeah, but that doesn’t matter one bit to the concept! They’re not suggesting an Adam and an Eve – they’re just using them as cute nicknames for the statistical/genealogical concepts they’re discussing!

Y-Chromosome Adam is not meant to represent ‘Adam’ from the Bible!

Mitochondrial Eve is not meant to represent ‘Eve’ from the Bible!

(Therefore, it doesn’t matter one bit when one lived with respect to the other!!!)
 
No, I haven’t gone, just maintaining a watching brief. I’m keeping an eye on the Young Earth Creationist, Evolutionist and Intelligent Prime Mover threads - and the new Shroud of Turin thread, that being my original area of interest.

But I’m not sure I’ve got anything more to contribute. There are no Young Earth Creationists of sufficient faith not to have to try to distort science, little of which they understand, into some kind of support, and no anti-evolutionists who understand enough of evolution to know what it is they oppose. The Prime Mover thread has completely failed to unearth a real reason why one should suppose the Prime Mover was intelligent, and the only supporter of the Shroud of Turin is convinced I’m a Ba’hai.

Still, I wish everybody well…
 
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